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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Neruda View Post
    Dub Rubb - TheBryansk Automobile Plantwas founded in 1958, so assuming your watch celebrates the 25th anniversary, it should date to 1983. Looks like a beautiful example!
    I like your research, comrade, except that bezel and case back is later than '83, I think; more like late '80s - early '90s.

    Also wiki doesn't have them making any civilian automobiles.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    I like your research, comrade, except that bezel and case back is later than '83, I think; more like late '80s - early '90s.

    Also wiki doesn't have them making any civilian automobiles.
    '83 catalog has some type 119 amphibians and some civil versions of the 2214 large "Chistopol" komandirskie but no dive-style komandirskies.

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    Thanks for the info guys! I believe the car in the dial is a Lada 2101 also known as the Vaz BA3 introduced in 1970. It was basically a russianized Fiat 124 and I remember them being picked on, but still loved on Top Gear.

    That would put the watch around 1995. It is still in remarkable condition though there is a tiny bit of cracking in the dial that can be seen in the right light.

    If only my car knowledge and Keen eye for cars continued into the watch realm.

    Thanks again for all the info and good news comrades!

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Well I almost got there - second try could be Volzhsky Avtomobilny Zavod, the company behind Lada. Founded in 1966, so possible date for the watch would be 1991. This also fits with "made in CCCP" in the dial as the USSR folded at the end of 1991.
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    That makes perfect sense! Good knowledge on the origin of VAZ. I do think the Lada has a lot in common with Russian watches too. Tough, affordable sometimes questionable quality control and will just keep going. But very very Russian.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Can I respectfully ask expert opinion on the legitimacy, or otherwise, of the watch in this listing? I have my suspicions.

    USSR. SOVIET wristwatch ZIM for pilots. Military Design (1). | eBay

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    So, BEFORE I buy this watch, I would like to know what you guys thought about it's authenticity. I have had good luck from this seller before, and it looks good to me, but I would like a second opinion from the experts.

    Thanks in advance comrades!
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    Or this one. I like this style of dial and they are about the same price point.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Dub Rubb - the second example, a Komandirskie, has a caseback usually associated with export. There's some contemporary publicity showing that some models were sold in Italy by a company called Timetrend, but as the original labeling was in several languages, they may well have been sold in other European countries as well. However casebacks can easily be interchanged, and I don't think (not sure) that there is specific proof that this particular model was exported. Where is the seller located?

    The first model, an Amphibian, has the movement marked SU but no "made in" on the dial. Possibly indicates it was made in the transition period c.1992. The lettering on the rocket has either faded or worn off.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Any thoughts on this?

    I find the small hands on the sub-dials a little strange, and the application of the "VII" just a little off. So, is this a factory Poljot, or perhaps assembled after the main factory stopped production?

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