All this has me a bit confused. I have two generalskie ones. I've always thought of them as amphibians. One has an arrow hand and o one doesn't.
1, 2, 3, 4)?
My opinion (right now, tenuous at best) is that any Generalskies with Amphibian casebacks are constructions.
Your left watch is "classic" Generalskie: Komandirskie hands, non-lumed bezel, automatic movement, and chromed case. Look at the color difference between the case and case-back:
But the watch on the right looks both like a legitimate Generalskie and an Amphibian. Which is a head-scratcher.
I guess rules are made to be broken.
Last edited by mroatman; September 21st, 2017 at 16:12.
I think there tends to be confusion when identifying and classifying a particular watch type by what signed dials usually are found on it instead of physical characteristics. Just as there are what we consider amphibians with "komandirskie" signed dials, I don't see why there couldn't be amphibians with "generalskie" dials, perhaps like Kev's right hand example.
Anyone know if there's still a good link around for Seele, et al's amphibian case type pdf? None of mine work any more.
From a series of pictures taken 9/20/12, almost five years ago to the day. I think the remaining unanswered question in my mind is whether the back was antimagnetic. Notice the dial color. How many soviet black scuba-dude dials have you seen?
Phil's watch is used as the reference (look familiar?):
1, 2, 3).
So here are my compiled findings regarding Generalskies. I suppose these can't be "rules", as nothing is that firm in the Soviet watch world. But perhaps we should say "relatively firm principles".
- Chrome case in one of two types:
- Case type 09x which looks like an enlarged Komadirskie case with crown guard. Crown is usually rounded (1) but not always (2).
- Case type 92x which looks like 420 case but is chromed (1, 2).
- Simple, straight, Komandirskie hands (no arrow on hour hand)
- Painted bezel with no lume
- Case back in one of four general types (note that none have "Amphibian" lettering):
- "Waterproof / Automatic" written in English (1)
- "Waterproof / Automatic" written in Cyrillic, with or without orca (1, 2)
- "Watch & Clock Makers" export (1)
- "Onion dome" export (1)
- Caliber 21-jewel, 2416Б movement
Here are some more images I compiled for study.
So, back to the three watches in question: mine, yours, and Kevin's.
- I believe mine is an original Generalskie using case-type 92x. The crown may be replaced(?).
- I believe yours is an original Generalskie with the exception perhaps of the hands. The arrowed, Amphibian-style hour hand doesn't fit with a Generalskie, and the lume doens't match the dial.
- I believe Kevin's is actually an Amphibia (pending confirmation that the case is steel) with a Generalskie-themed dial, like those Komandirskie Amphibians you mentioned before.
Whew. How far off am I?
It seems I have some website reorganization to do too. Both mine are listed under amphibian but now obviously the scuba dude one is in fact a komandirskie but an automatic.
The other one is actually a vremir and is a steel case and so an amphibian as indicated by the arrow hand.
I also saw a discussion recently about the plastic case komandirskie, which actually isn't a komandirskie as its not waterproof so another one i have to move.
Dashiell any chance you could send me the amphibian and komandirskie pdf too , I lost mine when my old computer died.