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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Hi comrades,

    What are your thoughts on this weird black big zero?

    My understanding was that black big zeros should have silver hands but it surprises me that these ones seem to be the correct length and shape for a big zero despite being this white skeleton style.

    A bit of searching around shows other examples that are the same but given how often this watch is frankenned that doesn't give me much confidence.

    What do you think?




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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    So here are my compiled findings regarding Generalskies. I suppose these can't be "rules", as nothing is that firm in the Soviet watch world. But perhaps we should say "relatively firm principles".


    Chrome case in one of two types:
    Case type 09x which looks like an enlarged Komadirskie case with crown guard. Crown is usually rounded (1) but not always (2).
    Case type 92x which looks like 420 case but is chromed (1, 2).

    Simple, straight, Komandirskie hands (no arrow on hour hand)
    Painted bezel with no lume
    Case back in one of four general types (note that none have "Amphibian" lettering):
    "Waterproof / Automatic" written in English (1)
    "Waterproof / Automatic" written in Cyrillic, with or without orca (1, 2)
    "Watch & Clock Makers" export (1)
    "Onion dome" export (1)

    Caliber 21-jewel, 2416Б movement



    I agree with the majority of yor comments, but the I usually use Generalskie only for the 09X case. I use Komandirskie 92X for the round one (it is still produced today) as I use for example Komandirskie 52 (also with an automatic movement).

    The back inscritions are common to basicly all the automatic Komandirskies, the caseback could have also the Imperial Eagle, not only the Orca.

    GENERALSKIE:







    KOMANDIRSKIE 92X:






    KOMANDIRSKIE case 52:



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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Is this mayak authentic?

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by dmnc View Post
    Hi comrades,
    What are your thoughts on this weird black big zero?
    My understanding was that black big zeros should have silver hands but it surprises me that these ones seem to be the correct length and shape for a big zero despite being this white skeleton style.
    A bit of searching around shows other examples that are the same but given how often this watch is frankenned that doesn't give me much confidence.
    What do you think?
    Go with your gut -- the skeleton hands are not correct. I would keep looking.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by cptwalker View Post
    Is this mayak authentic?
    I think so, yes.

    The catalog and mine for comparison (my crown is replaced; the one for sale is correct).


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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    I've never seen a stainless steel Vostok dive-style case with crown guards, by the way.
    Affectionately known as the "Lugs on the Bum Vostok"



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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Hi Comrades,

    I just bought new watch. It was impulsive buy without any real analyze. I saw something similar once in Dashiell collection and I really liked it. But now I can see that case is a bit strange. Any ideas?

    Collectible RUSSIAN USSR WATCH VOSTOK UNUSUAL CASE BLACK GEM DIAL


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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by XsiOn View Post
    Hi Comrades,
    I just bought new watch. It was impulsive buy without any real analyze. I saw something similar once in Dashiell collection and I really liked it. But now I can see that case is a bit strange. Any ideas?
    Collectible RUSSIAN USSR WATCH VOSTOK UNUSUAL CASE BLACK GEM DIAL
    Thanks, Peter
    Hi Peter --

    That case is definitely rare and unique, but unfortunately it's missing the lugs. Here is the original watch:


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    If you are creative or know someone with access to some basic tooling, I think you could create your own version of these lugs.

    Or you could also just thread some heavy string/twine/leather through the hole and make a sort of bracelet from the watch.

    Good luck!

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken?

    Possibly the ugliest Raketa 24 "mod" ever? Not sure what's going on with the silver gemstone-encrusted strap mounted on the shortened original (?) band. The cacophony of styles makes me cringe. Bonus extra red "CCCP" on the dial (in case you missed "Сделано в СССР" just above).

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken?

    Quote Originally Posted by armanh View Post
    Not sure what's going on with the silver gemstone-encrusted strap
    Somebody's grandma, somewhere, would pay good money for this bracelet.

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