I guess I'm not the only one wandering how this got made. PanKorop articulated my original question better than me
I've seen my fair share of tongji komandirskis, but never in that combination, and certainly never with a vostok logo stamped on the movement. Why would anyone bother? To make it look more authentic?
Who is Alkor-Vostok? Perhaps the answer lies there:
...although that still leaves us with a Russian-branded submarine dial with "made in USSR" in English combined with a post-Soviet case and movement.
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I'm asking for a friend because I have absolutely zero knowledge of this subject.
First of all this is a frankenwatch, correct? That dial looks like it was made yesterday.
How do you tell the difference between a Vympel ultra-thin 2209 and others? Is it ANY similar movement with the 1МЧЗ, МЧЗ, or Luch/Beam logo stamps?
Not only are there other Soviet movements named 2209 that aren't related to this one, but numerous online listings are describing these as Vympel 2209s.
One of mroatman's with correct slashes:
Also by the time that adjustable balance movement and case type appeared 2209s were only being made in Minsk.
That one is a total fabrication, in my humble opinion.
Not EVERY watch is showcased there, and I also had a hard time finding something similar in the catalogs.
I'm somewhat confused - can you instantly tell the difference between an "ultra-thin" 2209 and other 2209 movements based on the movement markings?
From my understanding, only the Vympel/1МЧЗ movements are the "ultra-thin" variant and the others from МЧЗ/Luch are thicker.
Here are some more good examples of proper dial "slashes" as shown on some very early "Vimpels" from Russ' website: https://russrussianwatches.blogspot....ultrathin.html
I'm puzzled & in doubt by what I see and like to have the opinions of the experts
Bought these two VDV dials as NOS. I double checked and the seller guaranteed me that they were 100% genuine / authentic / original.
They are as mint as mint can come. No scratches, no damage, no aging cracks, no signs of any age. In fact they look like as if they have left the factory yesterday .... and that's my problem
I do assume that, if authentic, these dials were produced begin '90's, say 1992-1993. One would expect, like with many dials from that period, to see some cracks in the surface paint or some other signs of age. Even the copper of the dial-feet is still shiny
Are these dials (already?) known for reproductions ? It is possible at all that these dials look like these after 25 years?
Are there tell-tales that they are reproductions, or are there tell-tales (manufacturing methods) that they are for sure genuine?
Hope to hear your opinion(s)
Well there's nothing specific I can see on them to say they are reproductions, they might have been stored in perfect conditions to explain their mint condition.
Also they might not be as early as 1992-93, Vostok marking of dials with " Made in Russia" (in Cyrillic) might have started as early as 1995 but there are lots of dials around with no country of origin used much later and as late as 2002 so they might not be as old as you think.
Since these dial could be as late as from 2002, that begs to question in which cases I can put them to be (still) of the "correct" (prolonged) period? Both sets of hands possible; Komandirskie & Amphibian?
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