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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Avidfan View Post
    Doesn't look like a 420 case to me (unless they've changed the case shape over the years)?
    Oh, you are right, comrade, flat at the crown area. Not sure what that is, then.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    Oh, you are right, comrade, flat at the crown area. Not sure what that is, then.
    That makes two of us then!

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    Oh, you are right, comrade, flat at the crown area. Not sure what that is, then.
    The case type is a 270 found with either a 2414,2409 or 2416b movement. Not sure on the dial case combination its in that good old "Transitional Period" again!
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    You are right about the only parts not interchangeable.

    You are wasting your time trying to salvage those hands with the lume in place. Remove the old lume, clean the hands, and re-lume with some off-white paint or any color you want since no other lume on the watch is still active. I have had some success cleaning dirt and corrosion using a q-tip and some red rouge. You have to be careful or you will remove the plating, though. It's very difficult to get a good outcome when trying to restore hands that far gone. They're never going to look that good but you can clean them up. Obvious defects such as pitting and plating loss will remain but at least they will be clean.
    Thank you very much for confirming this, and I've spread the word to anyone interested!

    I will try to follow your advice about the hands, thank you very much, and I'll try to publish a picture once I'm done! If I fail I will simply replace the hands. I guess it still holds true that it's only Meranom's SE Amphibians that don't take standard Vostok minute and seconds hands, right? Had some problem with that a while back (story here).
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

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    Step by step i will be there.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Sansoni7 - I'm not 100% certain, but I think NOT. At least, I see problems with it.

    Poljot started this line in the early 1990s, but by 2000 the company was in grave financial difficulties. Around 2005 Poljot sold most of their equipment. Ex-employees formed several companies to continue making and selling Poljots, one such operation was Volmax which continued in Russia until about 2010 before relocating to Switzerland. Both Poljot and Volmax produced Aviator watches, so if genuine which made yours.

    I believe this is a genuine Poljot era Aviator:
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    More photos of this watch at Poljot Aviator On the dial, note the Poljot logo under 12 o'clock and the Aviator brand above 6 o'clock. Note also "Russia" under 12 o'clock. Compare the hands and the lume.

    The wings logo on your example does appear on the later Volmax Aviators - but in this case, why the Poljot instruction manual? Two other important details are suspect. The movement is marked SU, suggesting it was made during the Soviet Union period or shortly afterwards (Poljot 3133 movements continued to be marked SU up to about 1995). So, if this is a post-Poljot Aviator made by Volmax, the movement seems highly improbable - for me this is the deal-breaker. The exhibition caseback is certainly not original - nothing definitive here though as these can often be replaced. Blue second hands were indeed used by Poljot around the 2000 period on some Aviator models, but also appear on many copies.

    Finally compare your watch to Aviator manual winding military style wrist watch Poljot cal. 2614.2H | eBay The seller is being reasonably honest in dating the year of production to approx 2011 - but also giving the game away. Poljot were out of the running by 2005 and Volmax were by then largely if not completely based in Switzerland. It comes with the same instruction booklet which clearly cannot be correct at this date. Coincidentally this seller is from the Ukraine, but offering the watch in Poland.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    That "shturmanskie" (not okeah) should have blue hands and the picture quality is not good enough for me to conclude the case and crowns are stainless. Looks like some brassing. Would also need a movement picture unless the price is so low as to be worth the trouble.
    Quote Originally Posted by mroatman View Post
    Yeah, looks kinda frankie to me. I wouldn't buy without a movement photo.

    Hello again guys,


    Here are the movement pictures:

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    I compared this to Mark Gordon's version, and they look like a 1:1 match. The seller assures me the watch is all original. Still no good?

    Seller's watch:
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by armanh View Post
    Hello again guys,


    Here are the movement pictures:

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    I compared this to Mark Gordon's version, and they look like a 1:1 match. The seller assures me the watch is all original. Still no good?

    Seller's watch:
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    Mark Gordon's version:
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    Notice that Mark's example has blue hands. This is the authentic hand set so from that standpoint alone I believe it's not authentic. The movement looks okay with a couple of steel chrono wheels indicating an older movement. If you can establish that the case, crowns, and pushers are stainless steel and you can locate a set of authentic hands like these from ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/USSR-spare-...8AAOSw241YXNSb, and the price is low enough to allow you to buy replacement hands, then it may be worth it. Otherwise, it's better to keep looking.

    How low is the price?
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    Notice that Mark's example has blue hands. This is the authentic hand set so from that standpoint alone I believe it's not authentic.
    Is it possible the hands were discolored over time? Or that there was a version produced with silver hands?

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    How low is the price?
    $130, and everything else I've seen is in the $220-$250 range.
    Last edited by armanh; October 23rd, 2017 at 05:33.

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