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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    Hands on bottom one are longer, too, like OP's. '83 catalog showed shorter hands.
    Any way to find our when the watch was built?

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrutyunjaya Gadanayak View Post
    Any way to find our when the watch was built?

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    On some older soviet watches the movement had a date stamp that told the year and quarter it was made so that if you are sure the movement belongs in the watch you can tell within 3 months. Otherwise you are left with sales information such as receipt papers, original owner statements, etc., which if believable will date the watch. Or sometimes a dated inscription is found on the back of the watch.

    Otherwise, it's a matter of trying to find the watch in the old catalogs and get a broader picture of date of build.

    There is no foolproof method for use on all watches.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    On some older soviet watches the movement had a date stamp that told the year and quarter it was made so that if you are sure the movement belongs in the watch you can tell within 3 months. Otherwise you are left with sales information such as receipt papers, original owner statements, etc., which if believable will date the watch. Or sometimes a dated inscription is found on the back of the watch.

    Otherwise, it's a matter of trying to find the watch in the old catalogs and get a broader picture of date of build.

    There is no foolproof method for use on all watches.
    I would describe that one as "from the '80s".
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    What about this dial?

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    are these the right hands?

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Danilao View Post
    What about this dial?
    are these the right hands?
    Grazie!
    The dial looks fine, but the chrono hand has broken its 'tail', and the crown is incorrect.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    This "Vostok Komandirskie Gagarin" looks sort of legit to me, but I'd sure appreciate if someone could tell me for sure. I do feel a bit suspicious; called "Komandirskie", but has Amphibian case(?), case back and hands.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by 24 Hours View Post
    This "Vostok Komandirskie Gagarin" looks legit to me, but I'd sure appreciate if someone could tell me for sure.
    This is an interesting one.

    Straight up I can tell you that the hands are modern replacements.

    Now the dial is a little confusing. My gut feeling is that it is a modern reproduction, the reason I give is that the helmet lacks a little detail and overall the black lines in the graphic appear a little too heavy in their thickness and application. The other detail is that the lume dots appear too small and the colour is not quite right. At best it might have been re-lumed, as the bezel dot looks "off".

    I'm not sure if this dial was sold in the Vostok Type 320 Amphibian case, I've seen it more often in the Vostok Type 020 Amphibian case.

    Overall, as I said earlier, my gut feeling is that it's a mish-mash of old and modern reproduction parts.

    Hopefully others will chime in with their take.

    Edit. I just had a look at what other watches the seller has available and I see that they have many, many fantasy watches with "fake" dials, so it strengthens my feeling that the dial is a reproduction.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Agree.

    This one is found in the '93 catalog and also in Michele's collection. Also one of those "komandirskie" dials found on amphibians that tend to confuse:
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mariomart View Post
    This is an interesting one.

    Straight up I can tell you that the hands are modern replacements.

    Now the dial is a little confusing. My gut feeling is that it is a modern reproduction, the reason I give is that the helmet lacks a little detail and overall the black lines in the graphic appear a little too heavy in their thickness and application. The other detail is that the lume dots appear too small and the colour is not quite right. At best it might have been re-lumed, as the bezel dot looks "off".

    I'm not sure if this dial was sold in the Vostok Type 320 Amphibian case, I've seen it more often in the Vostok Type 020 Amphibian case.

    Overall, as I said earlier, my gut feeling is that it's a mish-mash of old and modern reproduction parts.

    Hopefully others will chime in with their take.

    Edit. I just had a look at what other watches the seller has available and I see that they have many, many fantasy watches with "fake" dials, so it strengthens my feeling that the dial is a reproduction.
    You make a strong, interesting, and educational case Mario, and as good as it looks, I'll pass! I want legit watches, and when I do want a Franken I prefer to create it myself. Thanks, comrade!
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

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    Any thoughts on this supposedly Raketa movement? Bevelled balance bridge seems out with the rest, but I'm wondering about the marking. Is this a 2609HA, a variant, or a fake? Thanks.

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