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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    The smile will disappear as soon as I start obsessing about bringing it back to original ;) It's $30ish, so it's not too horrible - but I have too many half-finished watches that I am trying to defranken, so I'll pass on this one.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Robotmensch - I also suspect the movement is considerably earlier, perhaps late 1970s. By the late 80s the B logo appeared under the balance wheel, among other differences.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Neruda View Post
    Robotmensch - I also suspect the movement is considerably earlier, perhaps late 1970s. By the late 80s the B logo appeared under the balance wheel, among other differences.
    Good point. I have this civil watch in my collection shown in a 1970 catalog that has a similar 2409. Notice the screw hairspring attachment to the balance assembly.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Thanks for all the input :) I'll definitely not be buying this, no matter how much I like its looks :)

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    If possible, I want to ask you about the authenticity of two 2409 Vostok watches . I think one of them would be manufactured in 1975 and the second one already in 1990 or similar time. Apparently it seem correct.


    For me maybe the question is curiously the back cover. I had seen some vostok watches with that drawing on the dial, but not on the back cover.

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    I can´t open the watch case now, but I have seen that it has a 2409A movement, similar to this internet image. Do you think the watch is correct?

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    As for the second watch, it is a Vostok Amphibia 2409A-SU, which I would attribute to a later time. I think it's pretty well preserved.

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    Do you think it would be legit? Thank you in advance.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Kirova Chrono

    Hi Guys, I would appreciate your opinion on following watch. I bought it in typical online auction rush, then later I realized, that it is not original, case is obviously from different type and age. What do you think about dial, hands and movement? Does it have any value or should I start to fight with seller, as it was written "sold as on pictures", but also "guaranteed all original as well". :) Looking forward to your opinion. Thanks!
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AGAPITO View Post
    If possible, I want to ask you about the authenticity of two 2409 Vostok watches . I think one of them would be manufactured in 1975 and the second one already in 1990 or similar time. Apparently it seem correct.


    For me maybe the question is curiously the back cover. I had seen some vostok watches with that drawing on the dial, but not on the back cover.

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    I can´t open the watch case now, but I have seen that it has a 2409A movement, similar to this internet image. Do you think the watch is correct?

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    As for the second watch, it is a Vostok Amphibia 2409A-SU, which I would attribute to a later time. I think it's pretty well preserved.

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    Do you think it would be legit? Thank you in advance.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Kirova Chrono

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodkopf View Post
    Hi Guys, I would appreciate your opinion on following watch. I bought it in typical online auction rush, then later I realized, that it is not original, case is obviously from different type and age. What do you think about dial, hands and movement? Does it have any value or should I start to fight with seller, as it was written "sold as on pictures", but also "guaranteed all original as well". :) Looking forward to your opinion. Thanks!
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    I have seen these before but they are pretty rare and I am not qualified to authenticate one. I did make a quick trip to the 'net and this was the first article I saw that seemed to have some usefull information: 1ГЧЗ/Valjoux 61 One-Button Chronograph. There could be more but I don't have time to do any more research. I found what I found searching: First Moscow one-button chrono watch"

    I believe the case is a "modern" replacement, the dial looks too good to be true so may have been re-painted, hands re-lumed and the second hand may have been replaced. The movement looks very similar to the other example I looked at.

    Hopefully we'll be getting some more feedback from others.

    Was it expensive?
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Agapito - if you click "go advanced" you should be able to post your pics. There seems to be a problem at the moment.
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Kirova Chrono

    Dear Schnurrp, thank you for your reply. More or less you confirmed my worries, about the case I am 99% sure. Especially with "dial looks too good to be true" you are right. Even-though I consider myself as a little advanced in vintage watch world, I still sometimes surprise myself, on what I am able to bet.

    Was it expensive? Well, considering the price of this one, it wasn't...but considering it's lack of authenticity, it wasn't cheap... :)

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultra-Rare-...AAAOSw2gxYqEVB

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