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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    Sellers!

    Notice diamond First Moscow logo missing on subject watch. That's a much newer movement.

    Mine:


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    Nice watch, man!

    The hands on yours certainly look more appropriate for this Poljot. The seller's look totally out of place and not in sync with the rest of the watch

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by shahrincamille View Post
    Nice watch, man!

    The hands on yours certainly look more appropriate for this Poljot. The seller's look totally out of place and not in sync with the rest of the watch
    From 1960 catalogs:

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by shahrincamille View Post
    The hands on yours certainly look more appropriate for this Poljot. The seller's look totally out of place and not in sync with the rest of the watch
    Another problem is when you see multiples of anything NOS for sale, except in extremely rare cases.


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    I just feel bad for those 7 buyers who already paid $120 on a counterfeit piece of junk.

    Note this dial is often reproduced; it's not easy to distinguish the fakes, but after you study them long enough, the sparkly/shimmery appearance and smoothed indices are giveaways.

    A few more originals, with links to catalogs when available: https://mroatman.wixsite.com/watches-of-the-ussr/signal

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Is it original or fantasy?
    The dials are decorative, gift wine together with other 3133 caliber watches that I buy from a German individual. Only seen in the catalog of Jury No. 6. (and that's no guarantee)

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Looks good to me.

    The UN military watch appears in the 1993 Slava catalogue, as does an America 1492-1992. Both have similar style bezels - so probably this is the approximate date of your example. The general design seems to be copied from Poljot, but it's not a true chronograph.

    The movement is a variation on the Slava 2414 family, with the two sub-dials added - I haven't seen this before, and it might be worth just checking that these are in fact functional.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by shahrincamille View Post
    Now I noticed another iteration of the watch oneBay.

    * Item 162737340291 *

    Different hour and minute hands. Different case back

    eBay stuff never cease to amaze me



    Shahrin
    Hi Shahrin,

    Another fake, unfortunately. The dial has issues, but its easier to spot that the hands dead wrong. I think that with this dial, only a "snake" alarm hand is correct, not an arrow like in the above, and the hour/minute hands should be sharp triangles with teal paint. Crowns are also wrong, but we're splitting hairs at that point.

    Keep looking! This is a very interesting, very wearable watch. These aren't super common, especially in good condition, but I think there are a few genuine ones on ebay currently. Keep in mind that you are looking for something made in the 1950's, so don't be afraid of some patina or wear.

    Good luck!

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Neruda View Post
    What do you make of this movement?

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    And the big question, who is being naughty here?

    I'll post more information soon, but I would like your first impressions just on the movement.
    Looks like a Valjoux 7730 series. What's naughty about it?

    --edit-- No, sorry; it's actually a Tissot 2070:
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...wk&Tissot_2070

    ...I guess the dial does not say 'Tissot'?
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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by shahrincamille View Post
    Yes, in my opinion.

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    Re: Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 2

    First off, let me thank you all for the help in the past, future and present. You have been a huge help getting into these watches. I have learned a bunch about Vostoks, but am now trying to branch out.

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