Vympel 2209 Sub-Collection (Part 1)
Like Tree15Likes
  • 7 Post By mroatman
  • 5 Post By mroatman
  • 1 Post By schnurrp
  • 1 Post By mroatman
  • 1 Post By shandy

Thread: Vympel 2209 Sub-Collection (Part 1)

Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1
    Member mroatman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Estonia
    Posts
    7,136

    Vympel 2209 Sub-Collection (Part 1)

    Hi comrades,

    [Many apologies to shandy for "stealing" his thread, as he was expecting a Vympel today only to be greeted by a disappointment!]

    Well, what do you know.....another day, another sub-collection complete....only this one was a bonus, as with the arrival of one watch, TWO sub-collections have been completed. Since there's a lot to cover, I'm going to split this into two threads.

    But first, a little background. If you're reading this, you probably know of this watch -- I'm talking, of course, about the thin and svelte 2209 "ultra-thin" that was branded by Vympel, Poljot, Luch, and Sekonda throughout the '60s and '70s. These watches have been covered ad nauseam in prior WUS threads, so I'll try my best to summarize the known facts into a quick overview. As always, I'd like to be as accurate as possible here, so please feel to make any corrections as necessary.

    The 2209 movement was first introduced with great fanfare by the First Moscow Watch Factory in 1961. At 2.9mm in thickness, it is astonishingly thin, even today (the movement was awarded the Gold medal and a Diploma at an international Fair in Leipzig in 1963). The earliest examples were branded Vympel ("pennant") on the dial and had had a unique quadrilateral logo stamped on the movement:



    In 1963, just two years after introducing the Vympel 2209, the First Moscow Watch Factory underwent a major rebranding in which all subsequent watches were to be marketed under the Poljot ("flight") brand. Thus, in 1963, Poljot replaced Vympel using the same 2209 movement, but with a different logo on the movement:



    You will find other logos stamped onto these 2009 movements as well (e.g. Minsk Watch Factory, Luch "beam", and the generic "SU"), but the original Vympel from 1961 was unquestionably the first. Many watch enthusiasts refer to all 2209 movements as "Vympel", whether or not they have the quadrilateral logo or the Vympel brand on the dial. This seems common practice with other watches as well, where the original title sticks around for future iterations (i.e. all 3017s being referred to as "Strela", and all Raketa 2609s being referred to as "Baltika"). It's a harmless misnomer, but important to keep in mind, as the original Vympels were only produced for about three years from 1961-1963 and are much rarer than other watches that use the 2209 movement.

    As I said, there are countless threads covering this topic, but if you'd like to learn more, you can look here and here to get you started. And don't forget google.

    To my knowledge, three original Vympal dial designs were produced, all of which were subsequently re-branded as Poljot variants with the same design. Today marked the arrival of this handsome devil:





    This numbered dial joins the two other dial designs in my collection. This next variant has the more "classic" dial design that's most often associated with Vympels, I think. While I don't know for sure, if I were to guess which variant came first, I'd bet my money on this one. I actually have two examples of this dial design with only very slight differences aside from condition (can you see them?):





    The third and final design is what I believe to be the newest (closer to 1963, perhaps?). As you'll see, the Vympel lettering is quite different. This watch is not quite NOS (there are two hairline scratches on the case back) but as close as I've ever seen.





    And finally, we have the big happy family:







    Lastly, a word on thickness (or, in this case, thinness). As previously mentioned, these movements were remarkable thin at just 2.9mm. However, this does not account for the crystal, which adds significant thickness to the overall profile. Many, many 2209 watches (I would wager over 99%) currently have a replacement crystal. I now have 53 watches with the 2209 movement, and of those I believe only one has the original crystal. And it is incredibly thin. The crystal forms a seamless curve with the bezel of the watch, creating a profile not unlike a UFO:





    This is the thinnest crystal I have seen on any watch, including the "ultra low profile" crystal replacement I sourced from Seele. Those are, indeed, very thin, and much thinner than most replacements. But still not as thin as this one. (This is not a Vympel, by the way, but rather a Luch from Minsk.) This leads me to believe the original thinness of these watches is not 7mm as commonly cited but more like 6.5mm:



    This also explains why the second hand on these 2209s is stubby -- shorter, actually, than the minute hand. A longer seconds hand would have made contact with the ultra-thin crystal and prevented proper functioning of the watch. Of course, with the multitude of thicker replacement crystals, a full-lenth second hand does not pose any problems, and you will therefore see some longer replacement hands on eBay.

    Again, this is the only 2209 crystal I've ever seen that I believe to be truly original (perhaps they are actually more common than I realize?), as all others I've seen/experienced are thicker or have some noticeable shoulder around the bezel. With this crystal and the lack of any shoulder at all, I don't know how I would grab it with a crystal lift if I had to. Truly, amazingly thin.

    Stay tuned for Part 2 coming shortly, and thanks for allowing me to share!
    Attached Images Attached Images



























    Last edited by mroatman; May 20th, 2015 at 01:12.

  2. #2
    Member mroatman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Estonia
    Posts
    7,136

    Re: Vympel 2209 Sub-Collection (Part 1)

    And, of course, the movements. Just look at all those gorgeous quadrilaterals!

    Name:  FullSizeRender-41.jpg
Views: 941
Size:  559.4 KB

    Name:  FullSizeRender-24-1.jpg
Views: 870
Size:  600.4 KB

    Name:  FullSizeRender-25-1.jpg
Views: 928
Size:  802.4 KB

  3. #3
    Member schnurrp's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    10,384

    Re: Vympel 2209 Sub-Collection (Part 1)

    Well done, mroatman! The first Vympel is my favorite soviet dial of all time. I have definitely measured a thickness of less than 7mm on a Vympel before. I have also measured a Poljot 29 jewel automatic with a proper crystal at only 8.5 mm.

    Thanks for sharing!
    mroatman likes this.

  4. Remove Advertisements
    WatchUSeek.com
    Advertisements
     

  5. #4
    Member mroatman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Estonia
    Posts
    7,136

    Re: Vympel 2209 Sub-Collection (Part 1)

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    Well done, mroatman! The first Vympel is my favorite soviet dial of all time.
    Thanks, schnurrp! I agree -- the understated, refined design of the first Vympel (not to mention that adorable little logo) is hard to beat.
    Last edited by mroatman; May 13th, 2015 at 15:04.
    cptwalker likes this.

  6. #5
    Member shandy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    2,782

    Re: Vympel 2209 Sub-Collection (Part 1)

    Absolutely spectacular my friend and it has inspired me to send mine back and have it fixed rather than take the refund as sadly no watchmaker here is willing to work on the watch!
    mroatman likes this.

    All the best,
    Ian.

  7. #6
    Member mroatman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Estonia
    Posts
    7,136

    Re: Vympel 2209 Sub-Collection (Part 1)

    I've said it once but it bears repeating: I'm so very sorry to hear that, Ian! But this is one watch that I think is well worth the wait :)

  8. #7
    Member mroatman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Estonia
    Posts
    7,136

    Re: Vympel 2209 Sub-Collection (Part 1)

    And since these threads are bound to get separated in time, here is a link to Part 2 for all you future earthlings reading this in the year 2209!

  9. #8
    Member audiomagnate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    Atlanta
    Posts
    616

    Re: Vympel 2209 Sub-Collection (Part 1)

    Quote Originally Posted by schnurrp View Post
    Well done, mroatman! The first Vympel is my favorite soviet dial of all time. I have definitely measured a thickness of less than 7mm on a Vympel before. I have also measured a Poljot 29 jewel automatic with a proper crystal at only 8.5 mm.

    Thanks for sharing!
    And my favorite Soviet dial is the last Vympel. I can't wait till I finally find one as nice as the one in this thread. It's just stunning in its simplicity. I even like the still stylish logo.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

    Similar Threads

    1. Early 1MWF Vympel 2209 on the way.
      By shandy in forum Russian watches
      Replies: 45
      Last Post: June 21st, 2015, 18:04
    2. SOLD Vympel 2209+ 2x Poljot Deluxe a set of 3 Soviet watches in box
      By MayorM in forum Watches - Private sellers and Sponsors
      Replies: 7
      Last Post: June 3rd, 2014, 23:31
    3. Question about a Vympel 2209 case.
      By Luskar in forum Russian watches
      Replies: 1
      Last Post: October 9th, 2012, 21:01
    4. Vympel 2209 movement: odd behavior diagnosis
      By Seele in forum Russian watches
      Replies: 4
      Last Post: March 29th, 2011, 20:59
    5. Vympel 2209 caliber
      By Sudhakar in forum Image Gallery
      Replies: 0
      Last Post: March 26th, 2006, 15:27

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •