[Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

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    Question [Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

    Hi guys, first post here, but today I finally went through some of the things I inherited from my grandmother a few months ago. Chief among them were a few watches which belonged to my grandfather. They were as follows

    1. Ebel Automatic 24 Jewels, I understand it was from the 1950s but i have found no way of telling.
    2. Breguet
    3. IWC Pocket watch, I understand this is from or before the Ebel watch but I can find no way of telling!

    Pictures are in link below, the files were too big apparently, any insight would really be welcomed so I can keep putting puzzle pieces together

    Watches - Imgur
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    Re: [Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

    Hi and welcome
    First the IWC
    If you get the movement and case serial number you can find lots of sites to date it.
    Always date BOTH the movement and the case to see if it was fully made (movement and case) by IWC or cased later
    https://www.google.com/search?q=IXWC...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    EBEL - no comment

    BREGUET - Now if that is a 'real' Breguet you have some VERY, VERY special there. Sadly I think its a conterfeit as the centre of the hands where they connect to the movement looks a very poor 'example' - not Breguet
    ALSO
    The back and crown just look wrong

    I may be incorrect - a movement picture would help
    BUT, If you have a Breguet, you have the KING of all watches

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    Re: [Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

    The Ebel likely has this movement in it: bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Ebel 214 from the 1960's - 24 jewel movements aren't that common.
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    Re: [Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

    Thanks for the Ebel stuff, I'll get some pictures of the IWC later on..

    Regarding the Breguet, I don't believe it's counterfeit as my aunt purchased it for my grandfather in Paris, and I would be extremely surprised. How do I get into the movement?

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    Re: [Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

    The links and articles subforum has a thread on opening pocket watch cases...
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: [Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

    Quote Originally Posted by ned_donovan View Post
    Thanks for the Ebel stuff, I'll get some pictures of the IWC later on..

    Regarding the Breguet, I don't believe it's counterfeit as my aunt purchased it for my grandfather in Paris, and I would be extremely surprised. How do I get into the movement?
    It will pop open, if you are NOT sure take it to a jeweller as if it is guenuine (and I dont think so) the last thing you would want to do is damage it.
    Can you tell me what it says on the case back at 12?

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    I checked my Breguet books - all watches of your style have a (model) number on the dial.
    The hands of Breguet are unique. The small circle cut out at the end are ALWAYS 'off-centered - your look perfect centered holes.
    Thats just my thought based on poor pictures.

    PPS: Try a search for Breguet 203 (number on the back) - all you get are Breguet Counterfeits??

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    Last edited by HOROLOGIST007; June 7th, 2013 at 16:41.
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    Re: [Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

    Here is a picture of the movement as requested

    http://i.imgur.com/WeA7pE1.jpg

    The number on the back of the case is 0750 in a rectangle above that is a sort of side ways diamond shape and above that something else in a rectangle.

    On the movement itself, apologies for the poor picture, it says:

    Breguet in cursive
    Swiss
    Eighteen (18) Jewels

    Above that is:

    Adjusted
    to
    Five
    (5)
    Positions

    then on the left theres some stuff with lines that I can't read.

    Btw, its 2031, not 203 on the back of the watch

    EDIT: IWC Serial is same on case and watch, 1938-45 is the date, thanks guys.
    Last edited by ned_donovan; June 8th, 2013 at 00:19.

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    Re: [Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

    The movement appears to be a Jaeger LeCoultre cal. 839, a very good, thin, movement. It has been used in JLC's Ultra Thin watches as well as in other brands.

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    Re: [Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

    But not in Breguet I assume?

    EDIT: Found this http://jlc.watchprosite.com/show-for...-290385/s--24/
    Last edited by ned_donovan; June 8th, 2013 at 00:28.

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    Re: [Identification Request] IWC Pocket Watch, Breguet, and Ebel

    Here's a link to a previous WUS thread on this issue - including an eBay link to another Breguet with the cal. 839. That thread would indicates Breguet did use the caliber.

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/193...ke-690341.html

    I don't have personal knowledge of the matter.
    Last edited by Gumby992; June 8th, 2013 at 00:41.

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