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    0 size Gruen posted 4 days past is not.

    It is a big fat 30mm+ diameter 10 1/2 ligne size with 19j LeLocle area made movement. A best from 1908? Gruen 18k special open face. It was obtained 1976 by THE Mae West as a gift to 26 year old friend who is its seller to me. She wrote a fine info piece about it for me in the Ladies forum here. I have asked her to follow this with her comments as well as my own. I would like to know who made the movement that has Gruen numbers on it. It represents the best from Gruen for a ladies watch. Only 2nd I have seen in 50 years.
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    Re: 0 size Gruen posted 4 days past is not.

    Quite a piece.
    Wonder what it cost back then
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    Re: 0 size Gruen posted 4 days past is not.

    Interesting; I'd have guessed a later date based on the dial type. Is the dial held by side screws?
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    Re: 0 size Gruen posted 4 days past is not.

    That's an impressive piece with this deeply sculpted case and these set stones, very Art Nouveau.

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    Re: 0 size Gruen posted 4 days past is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    Interesting; I'd have guessed a later date based on the dial type. Is the dial held by side screws?
    Good point indeed. I never noted the date 1908
    Metal dial in 1908 - that would be extremely early, no?
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    Re: 0 size Gruen posted 4 days past is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Good point indeed. I never noted the date 1908
    Metal dial in 1908 - that would be extremely early, no?
    Here a for sure 1905 rarest first model Verithin Gruen 17L hunter hinged but open face. Is solid gold case and dial. Dial screws visible in movement. I guessed 1908 because of Gruen 130k serial on 19j movement of the little one. Verithin here is scarce but not earliest I have also with similar metal dial serial 122k. I did finally get a 102 serial Gruen Verithin which maybe indicates numbers started at 100k.
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    Re: 0 size Gruen posted 4 days past is not.

    Thanks artb
    I surely know metal dials did exist earlier than 1910s
    Actually, I was considering 'wristwatches' (my area of knowledge) - so metal dial wristwatches prior to 1915 - are rare.
    I 'just' presumed pocket watches to be similar.

    Thanks your post. I was not denying your dates, just pointing out its rarity.

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    Re: 0 size Gruen posted 4 days past is not.

    Art Nouveau for sure. Owner said 2 hearts and birthstones for each. Probably Mae West got changed or added 1976 when she made gift to the seller.
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    Re: 0 size Gruen posted 4 days past is not.

    Yeh, it looks like the stones were probably mounted at a later date, possibly added by Mae West as you say.
    Is this large stone a diamond? it looks huge.

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    Re: 0 size Gruen posted 4 days past is not.

    I always thought that Breguet used metal dials. How else would he have put his secret signatures on them.....?

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