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    1901 WALTHAM w.w. and same 6/0 size in 1913 p.w.

    Both in fine 14k cases and both Diamond best 1898 Jewel Series movements originally intended for lady pendant watches. 17j DIAMOND 1005144 of 1901 and 19j MAXIMUS DIAMOND 18059148 of 1913. Earliest classic style w.w. case by KEYSTONE with fine old style porcelain dial. Very small but I guess a man's watch. The 19j Maximus may be a really rare one using that name. Though different names and 8 million watches apart I assume are basically same movements. artb

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    Re: 1901 WALTHAM w.w. and same 6/0 size in 1913 p.w.

    There's no way that wrist watch is a 1901. The movement perhaps, but the case wouldn't be.
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    Re: 1901 WALTHAM w.w. and same 6/0 size in 1913 p.w.

    You confirm my suspicions. Any guess on age of case? Both are 17j. May be rarest Maximus named Waltham? artb.
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    Re: 1901 WALTHAM w.w. and same 6/0 size in 1913 p.w.

    Quote Originally Posted by artb View Post
    You confirm my suspicions. Any guess on age of case? Both are 17j. May be rarest Maximus named Waltham? artb.
    AND only 17j 0ne. There was Emerald named one with 21j. 1931 wholesaler catalog shows this 14k case with 6/o 17j movement as most expensive Waltham w.w. at $105. 10million movement sold separately when new. artb

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    Re: 1901 WALTHAM w.w. and same 6/0 size in 1913 p.w.

    I'm not really into the 20s - 40's stuff, but i'd estimate the case being around the late 20's or 30's. It's actually quite common to see movements dated earlier, in cases that are a decade or two later. I've seen it a fair bit on here.
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    Re: 1901 WALTHAM w.w. and same 6/0 size in 1913 p.w.

    These are both from 1915 / 1916. So anything earlier would have the same style of round case with soldered lugs.

    I know these are those years by the year letter inside the case from when the cases were hallmarked. They kept these style of cases well into the late 20's so that's why i'm estimating yours to be very late 20's.. 30's. I'm doubting it'd be 40's.

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    Re: 1901 WALTHAM w.w. and same 6/0 size in 1913 p.w.

    28a: Very nice old style militarys. The Keystone case with 1901 Waltham uses 16mm sprimg bars and was definitely available from Waltham in 1931. 30 year age difference seems unlikely old stock movement used originally. So seems likely it was a late transfer to its modern style case. artb

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    Re: 1901 WALTHAM w.w. and same 6/0 size in 1913 p.w.

    1931 wholesale catalog page photo here indicates it was first year for the case design. For men and expensive. artb

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    Re: 1901 WALTHAM w.w. and same 6/0 size in 1913 p.w.

    Well, not a bad guess then of late 20's to 30's right? ;)

    I wouldn't worry about the movement being dated a lot earlier. I can't say for sure if it's been replaced but if it were.. wouldn't you replace it with a newer one, than an older one?

    I'd say it's possibly completely original in that the movement was an old stock and used in that case.

    I remember reading that a lot of the old watch manufacturers were pumping out upwards of 1000 or more movements a day. I doubt they were selling that many watches a day.. so obviously there was movements being used far later than when the cases were made and sold.

    I'd get it serviced and just use it!
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    Re: 1901 WALTHAM w.w. and same 6/0 size in 1913 p.w.

    NICK: Your final opinion was expressed by another expert in NAWCC forum who prompted me to copy the catalog page. Since it is a 1901 WALTHAM movement (my father's birthday) in a 1931 case (my birthday) I will call it my birthday watch as well as a 1901 Waltham.
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