1913 Longines pocket watch with unique artwork?
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    1913 Longines pocket watch with unique artwork?

    I recently inherited a pocket and am curious to know more about it. I looked up the serial number, 3042695, at Vintage Watches - Collect...Identify...Discuss and it says approximately 1913. Here are some pics: Longines gold pocketwatch circa 1913 - Imgur
    What I am really interested in is what the significance of the artwork on the exterior is. I have not seen anything quite like it when looking at similar watches on the web. Do all pocket watches come with custom artwork or is this something unique? Also, how do I find out the jewel count? Thanks.
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    Re: 1913 Longines pocket watch with unique artwork?

    Hi Anthony,

    Here is a similar movement to yours that is 15 jewels.However yours might be 16, you can see in your image that perhaps the watchmakers at Cuervo y Sobrinos added an extra jewel in the centre. Regarding the significance of the art work on the case I would only suggest it is there as beautification but others may know more.



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    Re: 1913 Longines pocket watch with unique artwork?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Robledo View Post
    I recently inherited a pocket and am curious to know more about it. I looked up the serial number, 3042695, at Vintage Watches - Collect...Identify...Discuss and it says approximately 1913. Here are some pics: Longines gold pocketwatch circa 1913 - Imgur
    What I am really interested in is what the significance of the artwork on the exterior is. I have not seen anything quite like it when looking at similar watches on the web. Do all pocket watches come with custom artwork or is this something unique? Also, how do I find out the jewel count? Thanks.
    Hi - not sure this will help with the artwork description, but Longines has one of the best industry responses on sending back info on their vintage watches - if you send a note through their customer service for I believe 'heritage questions' they respond within 24 hours usually - the form asks for a serial number and pics of hallmarks and movements etc. I have about 6 vintage Longines I have done this for - good luck, Scott


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    Re: 1913 Longines pocket watch with unique artwork?

    Quote Originally Posted by James A View Post
    Hi Anthony,

    Here is a similar movement to yours that is 15 jewels.However yours might be 16, you can see in your image that perhaps the watchmakers at Cuervo y Sobrinos added an extra jewel in the centre. Regarding the significance of the art work on the case I would only suggest it is there as beautification but others may know more.



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    Jeweled to center or 2nd wheel, probably 17 jewels
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    Re: 1913 Longines pocket watch with unique artwork?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Robledo View Post
    I recently inherited a pocket and am curious to know more about it. I looked up the serial number, 3042695, at Vintage Watches - Collect...Identify...Discuss and it says approximately 1913. Here are some pics: Longines gold pocketwatch circa 1913 - Imgur
    What I am really interested in is what the significance of the artwork on the exterior is. I have not seen anything quite like it when looking at similar watches on the web. Do all pocket watches come with custom artwork or is this something unique? Also, how do I find out the jewel count? Thanks.
    The case is decorated in a style termed 'REPOUSSE', it is a high relief decoration formed by hammerring the reverse of a surface to form a scene or a pattern.

    Its nicely done, takes a lot of time and expertise, and hence added cost.
    It separated the basic from the special.

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    Re: 1913 Longines pocket watch with unique artwork?

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    The case is decorated in a style termed 'REPOUSSE', it is a high relief decoration formed by hammerring the reverse of a surface to form a scene or a pattern.

    Its nicely done, takes a lot of time and expertise, and hence added cost.
    It separated the basic from the special.

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    I don't think so as there are no marks on the inside of the outer case so I think it's machined from the outside but what a job.
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    Re: 1913 Longines pocket watch with unique artwork?

    A fine case in the period of fine high relief hand carving of similar style American cases. Commonly hand carving would be assisted with a larger pattern guide for hand operated pantograph for duplicates of patterns as on this one and for more cases. Uncommon is casting of high relief as on a similar age and quality Zenith shown here. artb

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    Re: 1913 Longines pocket watch with unique artwork?

    I prefer good gold cased p.w. as collectibles. Inherent investment value and generally better condition examples. For convenience repeating good photos of the questioned fine Longines here which is a very good example of fine case work. The engraving is unusually deep which also means the case material needs to be thick thus heavier than usual. It is also a good example of the machine assisted hand carving I believe was first done in the U.S. Include also here an extreme example of a hand carved case by Gruen from before 1920. A small pendant watch needing to be thick and heavy for this unusual hand work. Gruen casemakers in Ohio did very fine work. artb

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