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    1914 Centre Second Borgel

    Evening all,

    As many of you already know....the one I wanted for my collection.... A centre second Borgel cased watch!

    I have been looking to add one of these for quite some time, so when this was pointed out to me... I had to snap it up!

    This thread may be a bit convoluted, as I have already packed up much of my watch bits (including my screwdrivers) as we are moving house soon, so I cant provide all the info I normally do - like movement bottom plate pics.

    Anyway.

    The watch











    All in all... in good shape and running well.


    As discussed in another thread, the case marks are a little worn!




    But as I had mentioned in the other thread (and from seeing Radgers matching movement/dialed watch signed with Stauffer's trademark and Charles Nicolet's sponsors mark), I thought this watch may also be a Stauffer imported watch and Signed C.N. I have tried to highlight the 2 areas where the F.B. logo and C.N. are still slightly visible.




    And Radgers example - and good thread to read!

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/sta...-a-673664.html

    As both watches date within the space of a year, it also makes sense that both serial numbers are similar... but that may also be coincidence!


    The watch also has a very worn inscription on the back...





    Which, appears to say:

    F.E.S.

    FROM

    C.E.C.


    Im sure with a clean (hopefully removing the hairline crack), the watch will look even better - Very happy to have this one in the collection - making this number 17. Hopefully when I get my bits out of storage (may be after Christmas - not sure how i am going to cope), I can provide some more info on the watch/movement...

    Until then... I will just have to enjoy it!


    Marc
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    Re: 1914 Centre Second Borgel

    Great, great watch
    Lovely piece
    SURELY Borgel and CN
    Last edited by HOROLOGIST007; July 2nd, 2013 at 21:56.
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    Re: 1914 Centre Second Borgel

    Once again - congrats. And I hope the house move goes well.
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    Re: 1914 Centre Second Borgel

    Lovely piece. I am not able to get one like this, thanks for sharing great watches.

    Helio

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    Re: 1914 Centre Second Borgel

    Very nice...The Roman dial with the outer register really set it off...

    If you need me to look after it for you so it doesn't get lost in the move...I would be willing to do it (if you twisted my arm).

    Really - a great find. Congrats.

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    Re: 1914 Centre Second Borgel

    Lovely rare watch.
    I think these dials with center seconds are amongst the best looking of WW1 trenchwatches .
    They look great on the wrist and you'll never bump into someone wearing another...unless you bump into
    me of course :)

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    Re: 1914 Centre Second Borgel

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    SURELY Borgel and CN
    Hi Adam... I agree.... surely is F.B. and C.N. Would have though the movement would have also been signed if Stauffer... I guess there may be a mark under the dial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrick View Post
    Once again - congrats. And I hope the house move goes well.
    Cheers Marrick... its a move out of necessity! Will hopefully be short term before looking to buy somewhere... which will be interesting, as I will need to look for somewhere which can accommodate the watch addiction!

    Quote Originally Posted by Helioshiye View Post
    Lovely piece. I am not able to get one like this, thanks for sharing great watches. Helio
    Thank you Helio... Im sure you could get one like this... but may take a while to find!!



    Quote Originally Posted by Paleotime View Post
    Very nice...The Roman dial with the outer register really set it off...

    If you need me to look after it for you so it doesn't get lost in the move...I would be willing to do it (if you twisted my arm).

    Really - a great find. Congrats.
    Cheers PT,

    The dial makes it... really like it!

    I would not want to twist your arm... I will just have to look for someone more willing

    Quote Originally Posted by radger View Post
    Lovely rare watch.
    I think these dials with center seconds are amongst the best looking of WW1 trenchwatches .
    They look great on the wrist and you'll never bump into someone wearing another...unless you bump into
    me of course :)
    Thanks.... its certainly up there in my collection. The Demi hunter may be the rarest... but when dealing in these watches, they are all relatively rare!

    Forgot to mention the size... its big at 35.5mm in diameter... Im sure it will look great on the wrist! May have to borrow one of the straps off another watch to 'test drive' it...

    Marc
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    Re: 1914 Centre Second Borgel

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparcster View Post
    The Demi hunter may be the rarest... but when dealing in these watches, they are all relatively rare!
    Ah, yes, I'm forgetting you are a case man whereas I'm more a movement man.

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    Re: 1914 Centre Second Borgel

    Quote Originally Posted by radger View Post
    Ah, yes, I'm forgetting you are a case man whereas I'm more a movement man.
    I basically own 17 of the same cased watch... most of which with different movements (think I have 2 with matching movements) - case man or movement man?

    Think its a bit of both....

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    Re: 1914 Centre Second Borgel

    Congrats Marc nice piece with a great looking movement. Never seen a trench watch with center second. Good luck in the move, but think you will be better off moving above your watch guys shop save yourself a fortune in fuel.

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