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    AGR Borgel Watch

    Hi,

    I received a AGR Borgel watch for my birthday and would like to use it, however I believe that the strap is quite old and want to keep it without adding additional wear.

    This is my first vintage watch and wondered of anyone can recommend where I can get a good replica from.

    Cheers Graham


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    Re: AGR Borgel Watch

    Hi and welcome
    Nice Borgel watch, invented by Francois Borgel 1891. Your piece probably 1916/17

    AGR stands for Arthur George Rendell who was an importer of Swiss watches in London

    For a lovely hand made, correct strap look here:
    My Designs of Watch Straps and Watch Bands for Great War Era Wrist Watches

    Or Ebay 'vintage watch straps.

    Nice watch. Enjoy

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    Re: AGR Borgel Watch

    Thanks for the reply, is there a way of determining if the strap is original, or just old ?

    Thanks Graham


    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Hi and welcome
    Nice Borgel watch, invented by Francois Borgel 1891. Your piece probably 1916/17

    AGR​ stands for Arthur George Rendell who was an importer of Swiss watches in London

    For a lovely hand made, correct strap look here:
    My Designs of Watch Straps and Watch Bands for Great War Era Wrist Watches

    Or Ebay 'vintage watch straps.

    Nice watch. Enjoy

    Adam

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    Re: AGR Borgel Watch

    Surely not original, and not typically nice. Your watch is 100 years old. That strap maybe 20 years? Who knows
    You should purchase something nicer, in my opinion
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    Re: AGR Borgel Watch

    Thanks, will get a replacement ordered.

    Cheers Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Surely not original, and not typically nice. Your watch is 100 years old. That strap maybe 20 years? Who knows
    You should purchase something nicer, in my opinion
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    Re: AGR Borgel Watch

    Hi there...

    Have you got any other photos of the watch? Movement pics and case markings would be interesting to see!

    It is interesting that the bezel is not grooved, which helps with unscrewing the case. I have owned one similar!

    I would also recommend the Straps sold by David... I own 1 or 2 myself. He also has many other pages dedicated to the Borgel company, which are worth a read
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    Re: AGR Borgel Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparcster View Post
    Hi there...

    Have you got any other photos of the watch? Movement pics and case markings would be interesting to see!
    But if not, do not try to open it in anyway yourself.
    Not for anyone
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    Re: AGR Borgel Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Your piece probably 1916/17
    Hi Adam,

    Sorry if I am missing something, as I am viewing from my phone... But how did you round the age down to 1916/17 (which it may well be)?
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    Re: AGR Borgel Watch

    I have a couple of pics of the case markings and workings, tho don't really want to keep unscrewing it as it fits nice and don't want to wear it out.

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    Says 15 Jewels and Im not sure why the bezel is not grooved.

    Case says AGR and FB, has the 325 silver mark, serial number and I presume a date stamp.

    Not sure what the other markings are i.e 30 3 and the U inside the circle.



    Cheers Graham



    Quote Originally Posted by Sparcster View Post
    Hi there...

    Have you got any other photos of the watch? Movement pics and case markings would be interesting to see!

    It is interesting that the bezel is not grooved, which helps with unscrewing the case. I have owned one similar!

    I would also recommend the Straps sold by David... I own 1 or 2 myself. He also has many other pages dedicated to the Borgel company, which are worth a read

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    Re: AGR Borgel Watch

    You have yourself there a very nice Electa-Gallet movement!

    Date letter appears to be 'b' for 1917/18... So Adams Guess was pretty good!!
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