Another unknown Gruen p.w.

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    Another unknown Gruen p.w.

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Size:  266.1 KBIn my mail is a Gruen version of the Waltham Opera watch that was from before 1900. Have seen only 2. This non-Gruen probably 1911 when Watch Specialties first used. Also marked DG&S which is latest I have seen. Even on dial which is only p.w. I have seen with only that mark. Seller photos and my same w.w. 3/0s mvt. here. I expect Dietrich who died 1911 would not have allowed this one to be made, and it uses marking other than Gruen, that normally indicated high quality this cheap one is not. Not really cheap because this was a very popular 15j adjusted movement in many w.w. and pendant cases. Bet it had a short production life. Showing a friend's best Waltham version.


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    Re: Another unknown Gruen p.w.

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Size:  166.7 KBSeller had this DG&S Gruen movnt. listed as a small 3/0 size as is the w.w. example here. I find it to be a Swiss size near 0 size. The Walthams were 6/0s smaller than 0s.. The DG&S Gruen however is thinner than Verithin, Ultra thin, and Ultra Verithin thus making it the thinnest near 10s Gruen. A real surprise to me. It was probably not advertised as a Gruen watch. It is no diamond Maximus in quality, but actually thinner. I have an early uncommon similar Waltham of comparable thin size that has knife edge odd gold case also with a 0s mvnt. I believe a rare Waltham, shown with 0s mvnt w.w.
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    Re: Another unknown Gruen p.w.

    The DG&S marked opera style case actually has 13 ligne size, near 0s, not 3/0s as seller listed. A nicer movement made by Aegler for Gruen that also made early Rolex movements. It is colorful rose and yellow gold fill Wadsworth case. Condition very good. Winds and runs as though recently oiled. Servicer lost a plate screw. Perfect match from 1940+ Verithin now in it.

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    Re: Another unknown Gruen p.w.

    Great documentation. Thanks!
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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