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    Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch

    This is a watch sold by the Army and Navy Co-operative Society (here is some information on them). I bought it for several reasons.

    Firstly it is a keyless, going barrel watch from 1888, unusual for an English watch of the period I think.

    Secondly, the movement layout is unusual as well. It is a curious blend of the full plate and 3/4 plate layouts.

    And lastly, a little research showed that the Army and Navy Co-operative Society sold some top drawer watches. Keyless fusees, freesprung fusees, Karrusels, repeaters etc. So I felt sure that this one, although just a seven jeweller, would be good quality.

    Here are the sellers pictures. Sadly, the hands and crystal are missing. I have it apart right now and will post pictures of the movement restoration soon. Would anyone know who made the movement? Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch

    the casemaker GJT was George James Thickbroom 6 Spencer Street Clerkenwell
    the movement did not remember anything. but I read that "Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch" used Ebauches of Barraud & Lund or even Usher & Cole
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    Re: Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by eri231 View Post
    the casemaker GJT was George James Thickbroom 6 Spencer Street Clerkenwell
    the movement did not remember anything. but I read that "Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch" used Ebauches of Barraud & Lund or even Usher & Cole
    regards enrico
    Thank you for the info eri231, I will research the two makers further. Meanwhile, I just finished restoring the movement. It is working with a strong tick now. I will post pictures tomorrow.

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    Re: Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch

    a picture of dialside can help
    regards enrico

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    Re: Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by eri231 View Post
    a picture of dialside can help
    regards enrico
    Here it is. As you can see, it is quite dirty



    The back plate was worse. The balance was literally glued to the recess with old oil.



    The balance had been moved after the oil gummed up, thus distorting the balance spring.



    Cleaning and mending the balance spring took up a LOT of time.



    Sadly, the stopwork is missing.



    The outer hole in the mainspring was broken. I wonder why they made such rectangular holes. They are inherently weaker.



    This was fixed.



    The centre wheel hole in the dial plate was bushed. And here is everything cleaned up.



    Here is the assembled movement and watch. All it needs is hands and a crystal.




    A little video

    http://vid60.photobucket.com/albums/...psab5ub2gw.mp4


    So, this is what I think happened to this watch. The watch was serviced with a little too much oil. At some point the mainspring broke and the watch was put away in a drawer. The crystal and hands probably broke in the drawer. Also, over the years all the excess oil seeped to the back plate and glued the balance and spring. Someone tried turning the balance after this happened. I don't think Sherlock could have done a better job

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    Re: Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch

    Great work..
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    Re: Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch

    Really nice to see the process,good work Aditya..........although the mint jelly was a bit graphic

    I have some nice blued hands from a 16 size Elgin pocket watch from the 20`s if you like(spade type)hour 13 1/2 mil,minute 20 mil.Let me know and their yours.

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    Re: Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollonaught View Post
    Really nice to see the process,good work Aditya..........although the mint jelly was a bit graphic

    I have some nice blued hands from a 16 size Elgin pocket watch from the 20`s if you like(spade type)hour 13 1/2 mil,minute 20 mil.Let me know and their yours.

    cheers
    Yes, it's a painful sight isn't it?

    Thanks for the generous offer! I will check if your hands are a match. If they are I shall gratefully accept

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    Re: Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch

    I`m not sure if the hole size will match and i have no way of accurately measuring the hole,but with following information someone might know,
    movement serial:24593083
    grade:317
    production year approx :1922
    size 18(not 16 like i thought)
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    cheers,
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    Re: Army and Navy Co-operative Society Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollonaught View Post
    I`m not sure if the hole size will match and i have no way of accurately measuring the hole,but with following information someone might know,
    movement serial:24593083
    grade:317
    production year approx :1922
    size 18(not 16 like i thought)
    Click image for larger version. 

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    cheers,
    Those are beautiful! I will measure my dial, cannon and hour wheel. Just out of interest, is the movement on your watch beyond repair? That dial appears to be in great condition.

    Kind regards

    Aditya

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