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    Authenticity of this Vintage Oyster Perpetual

    Hi all,

    I am looking at this '50s Oyster Perpetual and would like some input from those who know more then I. Does this dial look legit? Is that patina around the indeces or glue from them being reapplied? Shouldn't there be some wording along the lines of "officially certified chronometer" on the bottom half of the dial? Any other input?

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    Re: Authenticity of this Vintage Oyster Perpetual

    Please post photos of the reference and serial numbers from between the lugs. Not all dials had the "officially certified chronometer" text. In my opinion, whether it is correct or not, the dial is just plain unattractive, so if you are considering purchasing this, you should think twice.
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    Looks like someone spilled some glue around the markers...
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    Re: Authenticity of this Vintage Oyster Perpetual

    On my opinion it is not a glue. Rather traces of moisture damage.
    Second hand looks incorrect as on me.
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    Re: Authenticity of this Vintage Oyster Perpetual

    Quote Originally Posted by badbackdan View Post
    Please post photos of the reference and serial numbers from between the lugs. Not all dials had the "officially certified chronometer" text. In my opinion, whether it is correct or not, the dial is just plain unattractive, so if you are considering purchasing this, you should think twice.
    Thank you for your reply. There were no pics of the serial number between the lugs, I will requested them though. I agree, the dial is a bit blah but the price seems quite reasonable (he's asking $985). Here are a few more images.

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    Re: Authenticity of this Vintage Oyster Perpetual

    What about the reference number between the 12 o'clock lugs? Or did the seller mention the reference? There is bad damage to the dial from some sort of moisture (could be glue), and I'm wondering if there should be radium dots outside the applied markers, since many of them appear to have round indentations. Maybe not, since the hands are un-lumed, but it would be good to find another example of this specific reference.
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    Re: Authenticity of this Vintage Oyster Perpetual

    Hi there,

    always amazing that people consider to buy a watch for what $$$ ever without seeing the movement, especially when the dial feeds the suspicion that the movement is a rusty cadaver.

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    Re: Authenticity of this Vintage Oyster Perpetual

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post
    Hi there,

    always amazing that people consider to buy a watch for what $$$ ever without seeing the movement, especially when the dial feeds the suspicion that the movement is a rusty cadaver.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
    Well, I was a little shy so far to come forward with my opinion, but what the heck: This dial gives me the impression that the watch was put aside during an exhumation. I wouldn't wear such a watch (nor collect it) even if someone would pay me for it. And yes, a look at the movement would be essential before spending any money.
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    Re: Authenticity of this Vintage Oyster Perpetual

    In my opinion, the dial is original but very harshly cleaned. My guess is that the areas around the markers are not glue and not necessarily moisture damage. It looks like there was a chemical reaction between whatever was used to clean the dial and the metal in the markers. Not a good look.

    The hands (all of them) are likely correct as is the crown. I can't comment on the bracelet, there are no pictures of the inside of the clasp.

    I would not be spending that kind of money without looking at the movement, if only to make sure it is the correct caliber for the case reference.

    Hope this helps,
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    Re: Authenticity of this Vintage Oyster Perpetual

    Quote Originally Posted by gatorcpa View Post
    In my opinion, the dial is original but very harshly cleaned. My guess is that the areas around the markers are not glue and not necessarily moisture damage. It looks like there was a chemical reaction between whatever was used to clean the dial and the metal in the markers. Not a good look.

    The hands (all of them) are likely correct as is the crown. I can't comment on the bracelet, there are no pictures of the inside of the clasp.

    I would not be spending that kind of money without looking at the movement, if only to make sure it is the correct caliber for the case reference.

    Hope this helps,
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    Thank you very much for your detailed response. I did ask for a picture of the movement and serial numbers and was waiting on those when I started this thread. I primarily wanted a knowledgeable opinion on what that "aging" on the dial was. Obviously I was somewhat reluctant.

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