Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

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    Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

    Erased preceding comments with this posting by error. Wrote this 270 Elgin r.r. up as completely original. Photos show it, 1950 571 and file photo of 1896 first model 162 the 270 refined. Correcting: Has everything in a completely original r.r. grade. Bold dial, durable single joint hinged heavy gold fill case,

    I lied. Photo clearly shows extra case screw marks for this absolutely appropriate and age r.r. watch case. I am surprised that someone, did not confirm this best way to prove originality. Or, not enough interest to 2nd click photo for details. One reason I like this forum is it provides a way to get at factual honesty through publishing unintended untrue statements. I am great for stating my opinions, beliefs, and perceived knowledge, but do not hesitate to keep me honest.
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    Re: Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

    Lovely railroad grade Elgin.
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    Re: Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

    As I understand it, the 'finger' bridging was an attempt to make servicing easier. It is seen a lot in earlier watches. But as accuracy demands and manufacturing costs increased, the larger bridging came into common use.

    If that's true, these are good examples.
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

    Appreciate your interesting comment. I expect you are right. Also interesting and unexplainable by me is why they made these fien watches for rough dirty work railroaders with delicate fine engraving of girlish pansies beautifully and evenly inlaid in gold. I can understand black paint in engraving but how is the gold applied so it sticks? These are old poor photos that do not show the movement finish quality of the gold and engraved and machined nickel. Will redo.
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    Re: Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

    For the same reason the jewel count kept increasing despite the marginal increase in value. How else do you make it obvious to the unsophisticated consumer that this watch is "better" then a cheaper watch? More expensive is never "girlish". :)
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    Re: Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

    One of many attributes of Fred Gruen admired by me is honest quality. Well finished but undecorated movements and conservative jewelling. Only the 50th was a flamboyant exception. American pocketwatch movnt. decoration got plainer eventually.

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    Re: Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

    Re-entered this to correct error about originality.

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    Re: Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

    Don't forget that prior to the 1920s watches were sold as uncased movements. The customer would choose a movement and a case separately and then the watchmaker would marry the movement and case as the customer waited. So an attractive movement was a selling point. During the 1920s and after watches were sold cased and movement decoration diminished so that pocket watches toward the end of the PW era were very plain. Also cutting out movement decoration cut labor costs.

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    Re: Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

    Fine reminder. Absolutely the right reason for fancy decoration where most sales quantity went to the general public buying movements separately with r.r. accuracy models being advertised as best performers. This a good example of a dumb question being thoughtfully and politely answered. Also the reason why Gruen did not decorate movements. I think they were sold cased only.
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    Re: Best? 1900 Elgin r.r. 16 size

    Slightly improved 270 Elgin photos.
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