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    Black trench watch?

    I noticed that on one of my trench watches I have something that looks like black paint around the lugs and behind the clasps. You can see in the close ups that this is not silver tarnish.
    I then happened to see a black painted trench watch in a vintage watch shop (sorry for the bad photo - too much contrast. No name on the enamel dial). So my question is: were some trench watches originally painted black?
    It is a silver Omega from about 1915 (movement number 4 862 713).
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    Re: Black trench watch?

    Yes they were. That was US army specification from WWi till at least 1942
    These watches were STILL in use by the US Army as proven in US Army Technical Manual TM 9-575 dated May 9, 1942.

    Pages 21-22 have the interesting parts.


    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/...fs/TM9-575.pdf

    We only come across a few of them, as I suspect the paint got chipped/scratched and people the removed it
    But for certain there were painted black cased Trench Watches.

    You should leave yours WITH the black paint, it adds to its rarity.

    You can read more about it here (see post 7) ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: Literustyfan
    Vintage Watch Forums • View topic - Have a peek at this one!

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    Re: Black trench watch?

    Quote Originally Posted by DD7 View Post
    I noticed that on one of my trench watches I have something that looks like black paint around the lugs and behind the clasps. You can see in the close ups that this is not silver tarnish.
    From the pics it looks like silver tarnish to me, base metal watches were sometime painted but I've never saw that
    on a silver watch.
    Last edited by radger; June 14th, 2013 at 17:23.

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    Re: Black trench watch?

    Quote Originally Posted by radger View Post
    From the pics it looks like silver tarnish to me, base metal watches were sometime painted but I've never saw that
    on a silver watch.
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    Surely not, see my post above, added attachments too
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    Re: Black trench watch?

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Hi Radger
    Surely not, see my post above, added attachments too
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    The links you give apply U.S gov military spec painted watches WW11 and don't really apply to
    private purchase WW1 Omega trench watches. That said, Omega may have offered a painted black
    version of their WW1 trench watches, old adverts must be around somewhere offering this option if
    this so.
    Looks like tarnish to me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radger View Post
    The links you give apply U.S gov military spec painted watches WW11 and don't really apply to
    private purchase WW1 Omega trench watches. That said, Omega may have offered a painted black
    version of their WW1 trench watches, old adverts must be around somewhere offering this option if
    this so.
    Looks like tarnish to me though.
    No problem, that's your thoughts we disagree.
    I may contact Omega - problem is they are not speedy like Longines

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    Re: Black trench watch?

    To add
    I have a number of Omega adverts of Trench watches from 1917
    They actually look black cases but it does not state it.
    But comparing the adverts to others the cases are black and do not shine

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    Re: Black trench watch?

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    No problem, that's your thoughts we disagree.
    I may contact Omega - problem is they are not speedy like Longines

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    I'm reasonably sure that to paint silver a special etching primer has to be applied first, this is usualy red
    and some of this I'd expect to be showing also if it were worn off paint I'd expect it all to have disappeared around
    the crown first and I'd expect far more paint to have survived elsewhere.
    This watch looks like many an old trenchwatch with patches of pure black silver tarnish to my eye.

    I'm quite content to disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    To add
    I have a number of Omega adverts of Trench watches from 1917
    They actually look black cases but it does not state it.
    But comparing the adverts to others the cases are black and do not shine

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    Not really conclusive, youl'd think it would be mentioned if they painted some silver watches black.
    I have a silver Omega trench watch and no sign of it ever having been painted black.
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    Re: Black trench watch?

    I suppose DD7 could make the test with 'paint-stripper' versus 'silver polish' LOL
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    Re: Black trench watch?

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    I suppose DD7 could make the test with 'paint-stripper' versus 'silver polish' LOL
    Tis true LoL

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