Borgel cased pocket watch

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    Borgel cased pocket watch

    So, I was looking for trench watch straps on Vintage Watch Straps and I was reading through the tabs as there is a lot of interesting info there - the history of wrist watches for instance. I got to the tab on Borgel cases, and as I was reading it and thinking, pretty neat - early waterproof case, I'd like one of those, when I realised - hey I think I have one

    I pulled it out of my project draw, and yep

    I am sure this has happened to others...

    Anyway, this is the watch a Borgel cased Baume-Longines pocket watch, and Longines kindly suppliied the following response to my query:

    It is a pocket watch lepine in silver 935
    It has been invoiced on 6th December 1916 to Messrs. Baume, who were our agents in Great Britain during many years
    This model is equipped with a movement caliber 18.79, 15 jewels


    Sadly the wonderful dial is very damaged. I have yet to find a replacement crown-wheel (although I did manage to buy one which didn't fit ) and I need to replace the staff. Case is good though.



    Pull crown out to 1 position further than setting, unscrew,



    remove.



    Quite a nicely finished movement.



    François Borgel "marque de fabrique". Interestingly this watch does not include import marks, yet it was invoiced to Messrs. Baume, in Great Britain. Case and movement numbers match - so it has not been replaced. Invoiced to the UK, continental delivery for WWI perhaps?

    A mystery



    Anyway, I don't know when this one will be up and running again.
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    Re: Borgel cased pocket watch

    Nice pic of the movement~Cheers!

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    Re: Borgel cased pocket watch

    I've not yet acquired a Borgel cased watch. But its on my wish list. Once again - congrats!
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    Please don't PM me to ask for a valuation - I won't attempt one.

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    Re: Borgel cased pocket watch

    Thanks!

    It is a very nice movement, and I do hope I will repair it sooner rather than later. Ebay and parts willing...

    I just thought it was funny that I ended up with a Borgel cased watch, and didn't realize it (there is a lot to learn in this hobby). I paid $30 for it locally, so it can stand having some decent money spent on it...

    The missing import hallmarks intrigue me.
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    Re: Borgel cased pocket watch

    That Borgel pocketwatch case is uncommon, I've never saw one like it before.

    I have a Baume longines wristwatch in a Borgel case though and one or
    two others. The wristwatch cases with the screw in movements and captive
    stems are fiddly and difficult to repair the 'sprung' stem..which is invariably
    worn, but I'm sure there'll be good examples to be had

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    Re: Borgel cased pocket watch

    That's a cool watch!
    Too bad the dial got damaged. It is a nice one.
    I didn't know there was such a thing as a Borgel PW.
    As for the missing import marks, maybe it was because they had offices in Geneva and London, so were exempted from the requirement.
    Maybe they just got away with it since it was wartime.
    Here's another (but obviously incorrected dated) Baume Longines without the marks:
    BAUME LONGINES 1940's Manual Silver Men's Wristwatch - eBay (item 170539608684 end time Sep-19-10 17:13:03 PDT)

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    Re: Borgel cased pocket watch

    delete please.
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    Repair of this watch is finally on the horizon.

    After being on the look out for the parts for months, I posted this thread and then manage to find what I need within the week. Seems that posting on this forum makes wishes come true.

    Vendor's photo of the replacement dial and hands - which are from a Baume-Longines 18.79, but the dial is sterile. Its not perfect as it has hairlines, but that lume is.



    It also has what I hope is a correct crown-wheel. I am looking forward to its arrival and hoping like anything that it fits, as going by the sub dial position the printing on the dial is somewhat larger than the original. Best case is the railway track on the new dial lining up with the very edge of the inner bezel. If it doesn't, at least it has the movement parts. Fingers crossed.
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    Our thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

    Good luck - hope ii all fits.
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    Re: Borgel cased pocket watch

    Thumbs up
    Interesting project.
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