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    Breguet a Paris real or fake

    Want to buy this breguet , don't know it's authentic ,any idea?

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    All I can say its definetly a very fine made old watch and it could be possible that this peace is orginal. No watchmaker was faked as much as Breguet during his livetime and also by fine watchmakers .( It's like Rolex nowadays.) Those watches you only can buy with an expert report because just the name of the probably best maker we'd makes a big price difference depending on the historical relevance.
    All I could find is a repitition with a simular basic structure within the Reinhard Meis (ISBN3-7667-1396-5) side 180 signed Breguet Fils made around 1830. In comparison on this watch a round engraved plate is missing to cover the fetherhouse of the repitition or which part is vertical down to the diamond capstone ? My technical understanding is poor if I see more than three hands ..and here its probably a nice ding dong

    Lucky guy who think about to buy this treasure - equal who made it

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    Hi, I don't think it was made by Breguet himself although I did read somewhere that some manufacturers may have sold imported watches (Swiss) with their name for the lower end of the market, though I have no idea if that is one of them and as SilkeN said Breguet was one of the most faked watches.
    Regardless it's a very nice watch, particularly the signature on the dial and it seems to be a repeater as well.

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    Hi there,

    it is simply a matter of probability that it is a fake, since most verge watches with this signature are.

    Breguet didn't do his various inventions as child and therefore started his business with the state of the art, mainly verge watches though, with ebauches from the same factories like most contemporary watches. Moreover some suspect that he retailed and signed watches for the lower price segment later. However, all approved watches of this kind I've seen in the literature were signed and numbered on the movement, but who knows whether all Breguet watches left their footprints in the factory books?

    Any repeater of that time is an outstanding watch. So I would simply not mind whether it is genuine or not. And it is actually not important, because most collectors don't pay a brand premium for such watches.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
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    Hi
    For a number of reasons I am 99.9% sure this is a fake Breguet.

    I could list them all if you required, but I am pretty sure it is a fake.

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    Hi,

    Thanks for the information, also I checked my book "the art of breguet", it's movement not as listed in the book.

    Best regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helioshiye View Post
    Hi,

    Thanks for the information, also I checked my book "the art of breguet", it's movement not as listed in the book.

    Best regards,
    Kudos to you for good research

    The world expert on Breguet is a guy called Philip Poniz - you could look him up
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    Yes, but as Roland explain: It's a outstanding watch. Therefore I'd some stomach pain just to talk about fake or not fake.

    Kind regards Silke
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkeN View Post
    Yes, but as Roland explain: It's a outstanding watch. Therefore I'd some stomach pain just to talk about fake or not fake.

    Kind regards Silke
    are we sure this 'is' a repeater.
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    still learning fro you.

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