Bucherer 17 jewels, 3 adjustments

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    Bucherer 17 jewels, 3 adjustments

    Hi there! I have been researching internet for a long time hoping to find some info on my pendant watch and there's always something similar but not entirely satisfying for my curiosity.
    I got this watch from my mother, who said belonged to her mother (who, in turn, said it belonged to hers and so on). My ancestry history is cloudy at best and I wondered if this watch could tell me a bit more about it.
    I know Bucherer is a swiss jewelry company that started in 1888, but I wondered if there was any way to tell (roughly) when this watch could have been made and if it sold around the world at that time (or if my grandmother bought it in the 80's at the corner shop), and any other information you would like to share.
    I know there are other threads on Bucherer's watches but there were differences in the watches... and, in the end, I guess I figured you would like looking at pictures anyway :)
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    Re: Bucherer 17 jewels, 3 adjustments

    Hit here,

    a pretty fast change of generations. The movement is any of the FHF/ST/INT 69 family, which was made between 1962 and 1980. Due to various production places of this standard movement it can't be reliably identified after a photo, but most likely it is an FHF 69-21 like this example from ca. 1970:
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: FHF 69-21

    Most of these movements have an identifier either under the balance or under the escape wheel.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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    Re: Bucherer 17 jewels, 3 adjustments

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post
    Hit here,

    a pretty fast change of generations. The movement is any of the FHF/ST/INT 69 family, which was made between 1962 and 1980. Due to various production places of this standard movement it can't be reliably identified after a photo, but most likely it is an FHF 69-21 like this example from ca. 1970:
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: FHF 69-21

    Most of these movements have an identifier either under the balance or under the escape wheel.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
    Thanks for the information! it's very helpful to figure out where it really came from. I suppose my mother exagerated a bit trying to make some history value but it's still a nice piece to make the story real for some distant future :)

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    Re: Bucherer 17 jewels, 3 adjustments

    Hi!

    We got similar watch pocket from our grandparents.
    Canyou write us some information about this things?

    We know, that this is Bucherer brand - Swiss made. (It’s broken).
    When?Can you help us? (We don’t know, how see inside)
    What is the value, today?

    Regards!V &G
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    Re: Bucherer 17 jewels, 3 adjustments

    Thanks for posting. Take a look at the 'Links and Articles' subforum at the top of the Vintage forum page. It has a thread on opening cases... and it tells you why we don't do valuations online.

    Without seeing inside (with clearer and larger pictures) we can't say much. Bucherer is the largest jeweler in Switzerland and had a lot of quality watches made for them by others under their private label (kind of like Tiffany & Co.). They are generally easy to repair.
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

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    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Bucherer 17 jewels, 3 adjustments

    Thank you for your answer. We saw inside - 4 ''rubies'' and describe: Swiss / Seventeen/ 17 Jewels/ 3 Adjustments.
    This information is important? Can you say, when this watch was made?

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    Re: Bucherer 17 jewels, 3 adjustments

    I don't remember the size but it is obviously small. The movement is a quality movement and, judging by the shape, probably generally used in ladies watches. Dr. Ranfft has a movement database which google easily finds. In it you can search by size and see if a match comes up (maybe someone will do that for you... it's a friendly crowd). The movement actually has 17 jewels, you just can't see most without disassembly.

    I suspect the movement could easily be restored to working. $75 to 100 would be the price directly with a watchmaker. For that they disassemble, clean, reassemble, lubricate, and regulate to a reasonable error rate (around a minute a day or better for something of this vintage). If there are actual broken parts, costs could be higher... only a watchmaker looking at the piece can tell. The Links and Articles subforum at the top of the forum page has a thread on finding watchmakers in the US.

    Heirlooms like this are not common. We all wish we had them. Thanks for sharing!
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Bucherer 17 jewels, 3 adjustments

    The movement is by Fontainemelon (FHF): Cal. 69 or a derivate:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: FHF 69

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Bucherer 17 jewels, 3 adjustments

    Thank you for answer! We’re from PL and here this model of watch is suprising for watchmaker.
    Greetings! V & G
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