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    Can any Pocket Watch fans help me I.D. this recent buy please?

    I`m new to pocket watches but fancy adding one to my collection of wrist watches.
    I bought this cheaply at an antiques mall a few weeks ago and was wondering whether it`s worth having fixed up?
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    I`ll start with the good bits :
    Case is approx 5 cm diameter and appears to be silver - but I can see any hallmarks.
    The alarm function winds and sets/works -although the inner bell cover is missing it`s retaining screw.
    The balance seems to swing freely and the second hand will move for a few seconds when gently shaken.
    Case and dial in generally very good condition although as you can seee the minute hand has lost it`s lume.
    Lovely blued steel hands.
    To my untrained eye the movement appears intact but dry as a bone and a bit dirty but nothing excessive.
    I think it`s a fairly lowly pin lever movement ?

    The not so good bits:
    I can`t pull the crown up ..I don`t wnt to force it though as some initial reading up I`ve done indicates there were a number of diferent ways PW`s can be wound/set ..I`ve no idea which is the correct way for this piece.
    I can set the alarm hand from inside the case OK but no joy with the main hands.
    I can wind the alarm but when trying to wind the watch I get a ratchet/clicking sound ..broken or diconnected mainspring ??
    Yellow crystal ideally needs replacing to show the dial at it`s best

    If any one could help with some info on the calibre /maker I`d be grateful.
    I`m guessing it date`s from around the 1930`s/40`s ?
    Does the movement come out via the rear or does the case unscrew in some way to release it from the front ?


    I like the watch a lot but can`t afford to a huge amount of money at it if it`s reckoned to be a basket case.
    I`d rather someone who works on their own watches took it on an I`ll keep my eyes open for a fully functional one..
    Any advice on a decent quality reasonably priced brands to consider would be much appreciated.
    Cheers.
    P.S. What`s the purpose of the little pop up pin above the 11 O`clock position please?
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    Re: Can any Pocket Watch fans help me I.D. this recent buy please?

    It's a pin set lever from Baumgarner. You can find the basic caliber hidden behind the Brevet 124160 number : https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNe...H000000124160A and than easily by Roland bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Baumgartner 222 neu. Unfortunately I can't read the second brevet number.
    The case might be nickel or brass with chrom on top. If it is silver you alwys find silver marks in this aera.

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    Re: Can any Pocket Watch fans help me I.D. this recent buy please?

    The purpose of the pin at 11 o'clock is to set the time. Push it in and turn the crown and you should be able to set it.

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    Re: Can any Pocket Watch fans help me I.D. this recent buy please?

    THanks for the info guys.
    I can now set the hands :0)
    The other Brevet is 112427.
    I think the watch may well be a nickel then as the colour is softer than chrome.
    The Ranfft link dates it to early/mid 1940`s -thanks again

    The Ranfft page says the alarm and watch use just the one spring so obviously a part (clutch ?? ) has failed which is why the spring will wind the alarm but wont wind the other wy for the time keeping.
    Now I know the calibre I might be lucky in finding either a donor or replacement part.

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    Re: Can any Pocket Watch fans help me I.D. this recent buy please?

    Ah, the second one is the patent of your alarm caliber from 1925 (https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNe...es=3&pdfpage=3) Roland list an old ans a new version. Depending on the style I guess 1925 until 1945 is possible. I can't detect a difference of both versions. Baumgardner was one of the compamnies who wasn't allowed to build lever movenents by law in this aera. It was a protection law to regulate the watch industrie. It's called "Uhrenstatut". Depending on this regulation they build quite interesting innovative pin lever movements who are not always has had the sence to be cheap in the first line. Another prominent victim of this regulation has been Oris. Of course they don't build high end .
    Unfortuntely I can't help with spare parts.

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    Thanks For the addition info Silke,
    I`ve found a few more details..one of them being that my watch is the cheapest of the calibre variants - no jewels !
    I think I`ll just keep it on my desk somewhere as a decorative paperweight as apparently spares are scare and the pin levers may well be past their best..
    And I doubt my watchmaker would to take it on anyway
    My enthuasium for a pocket watch obviously over-ruled my due dilegence that I apply when buying my wrist watches :0)

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    Re: Can any Pocket Watch fans help me I.D. this recent buy please?

    Just think about your early wrist watch purchases ...knowledge and of course taste is the key . Fantasic alarm pocket watches excist .

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