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    Can I find here a members who could read and assign asia font symbols ?

    Today a simple but for me very interesting pocket watch arrived. IT's a George Favre-Jacot/Zenith for a asia market. In the case and on the dial there are asia symbols. I'm not able to decide whether it's japanese, chinese or anything else.

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    For my ears SHING-CHANG-ZANG sounds like a counting-out rhyme for children and the google translator doesn't have any idea also. It would be terific if someone could asign or translate anything.
    As a little bonbon GFJ letters simulate english Hallmarks .

    Attached the 15 jewels (sapphire) keywind anchor Georges Favre-Jacot movement 16,5 ''' srewbalance with a blue fat spiral
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    Re: Can I find here a members who could read and assign asia font symbols ?

    SilkeN
    No idea but I ask mt Japanese Horologist friend.
    My guess Chinese.
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    Re: Can I find here a members who could read and assign asia font symbols ?

    Thank you Adam. I searched a long time for this watch and now I can't use the information .

    Thanks a lot Silke
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    Re: Can I find here a members who could read and assign asia font symbols ?

    Quote Originally Posted by SilkeN View Post
    Thank you Adam. I searched a long time for this watch and now I can't use the information .

    Thanks a lot Silke
    Pleasure. He is ultra knowledgeable.
    Currently living in Canada, I emailed him.
    Lets wait one day.
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    Re: Can I find here a members who could read and assign asia font symbols ?

    As near as I can tell, that's just Chinese for "Shing Chang Zang", which is probably the names of the owners of the company that imported it.
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    Re: Can I find here a members who could read and assign asia font symbols ?

    If you're right then the asia symbols might be say "Shing Chang Zang" . It was quite common to write the name of lokal sellers on the dial. But we'll see someone can read this probably chinese signs.

    Thanks for your answer
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    Re: Can I find here a members who could read and assign asia font symbols ?

    The "symbols" are Chinese, and they are characters, not symbols. They comply to the old convention of reading right to left, thus it is 興昌祥 , which tally with the phonetic rendition Shing Chang Zang which was a distributor in Shanghai. A quick Google search located another Georges Favre-Jacot watch - which is more of a carcass really, on Taobao currently. A better one is on an auction site.
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    Re: Can I find here a members who could read and assign asia font symbols ?

    Thank's a lot Seele for the help and sorry about the "symbols" i didn't know it better. The first link is very interessting because the movement has been the same calibre. For you a short google search and for me a mission impossible .

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    Now I know (own one) three of those watches and all have the same movements as the billodes for the ottoman market are typical "ottoman billodes movements". All threee were build as a keywinder after 1900 and now I know definetly for the chinese market. Gread informations thank's a lot.
    The one with emaille decor is really beautiful. Its bad that I can't read anything.

    Kind regards Silke
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    Re: Can I find here a members who could read and assign asia font symbols ?

    SilkeN,

    You are very welcomed; after all this is meant to be a place where we exchange ideas and information.

    Traditional Chinese is not hard to master, typing is a tad more complicated, to my mind. I use a quite sensible input method called Cangjie (after the mythical man who invented Chinese writing). Here are the input codes for the characters:

    興 hxbc
    昌 aa
    祥 iftq

    All clear ... as mud

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    Re: Can I find here a members who could read and assign asia font symbols ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seele View Post
    The "symbols" are Chinese, and they are characters, not symbols....
    Well, let's be totally pedantic and point out they are technically glyphs. Chinese has quite a few though the record according to a study once done by Xerox's document division was a south pacific language that had almost 100,000.
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    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
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    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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