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    Couple of family watches

    Got a couple pocket watches that were passed down from grandparents. Just wondered if there was any place to find out more info on either and whether they are worth paying to get them going???

    1. Dial says E. Marchand Milton Ont.
    Glass screws off, pull up on crown and the movement hinges out at 12 o'clock. Back of case stamped TRADE (moon star) MARK 4256
    Movement says Zenith, 1604770, 17 Jewels, E. Marchand Special





    2. Pushdown crown to pop open, dial says American Waltham, opposite case is stamped CASHIER F20664
    Open case back, CASHIER F20664, open to movement which says American Waltham Watch Co., Safety Barrel 51658556





    Done some looking and found minimal info about both watches. Any help is appreciated.

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    Re: Couple of family watches

    The Zenith is in a private label package, and possible of Canadian railroad grade. There are Zenith experts here who will be able to give you further details about this one.

    The serial number you quoted for the Waltham is too long, please post a clear picture of the movement. Until you state the correct S/N I will guess it is a 6 size Seaside from about 1891.
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    Re: Couple of family watches

    uploaded wrong pic, this is not great but at least shows movement



    1 too many 5's in S/N

    5165856

    Thanks for all the help so far

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    Re: Couple of family watches

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1970 View Post
    uploaded wrong pic, this is not great but at least shows movement



    1 too many 5's in S/N

    5165856

    Thanks for all the help so far
    Size: 6 , Production Run: 11/1891 - 01/92, 10,000 watches, Grade: Seaside, Jewels: 7 -11
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    Re: Couple of family watches

    The Zenith is from ca. 1910. The movement looks in good shape but the dial damage is probably a little too serious for it to be worth fixing. If you can live with the dial as it is and can find a replacement hand, it will be one of the most accurate watches of that age you can get once it's fixed.

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    Re: Couple of family watches

    Thanks for the very quick info. Always been interested in the Zenith and the way it opens to the movement. Hands under the right light are still nice and blue (not sure if that is a good thing or not). Everything seems to be running smoothly except it won't wind

    Wasn't as big a fan of the Waltham, but it is in much better condition but of course will not wind either.

    Thanks again to all

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    Re: Couple of family watches

    The zenith looks like someone try to pry off the dial, not knowing how to release the dial feet first (judging by the fact that the damage corresponds to the location of the dial feet). Sad, that.

    The Waltham is a common, low-grade version. Probably would clean up and run well, but not the most accurate.

    The swing-out case on the zenith was reasonably common at one point; these cases were easier to waterproof. The trademark indicates the case was made by the Crescent Watch Case Co (formerly the Chicago Watch Case Company). The Waltham is in a American Watch Case Co. case. "Cashier" indicates it's a gold-filled case, with a 25yr guarantee. That was their best quality gold filled case.
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