A couple of pocket watches for identification.

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    A couple of pocket watches for identification.

    Two pocket watches which belonged to my grandparents, back in working order thanks to Mr Dafydd Ellis of Porthmadog!!

    The first is a small Waltham in a pretty gilt case.
    The case is marked: C.W.C.CO. 303813
    The movement: AMERICAN WALTHAM WATCH CO SAFETY PINION 4436554
    Am I correct that this would be from 1889 - 1890?

    The second is a standard size (?) watch, lever set hands and on both the face and the movement it is marked America PHILADELPHIA U.S.A.
    Serial No. on the movement is 2706733
    The case is marked Keystone Watch Case Sterling 5033248 and on the inner case cover Guaranteed Sterling 925 Fine.

    I know nothing about watches! But having scoured the internet I can find nothing about a watchmaker "America".
    I am curious as both these watches are connected to my family history.

    garedd.

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    Re: A couple of pocket watches for identification.

    Waltham serial number 4436554 is a model 1889 made in 1890. Trying to find something on the other watch.

    Text added: Illinois Watch Co., Springfield, Illinois, USA, had used the name America (source: Mikrolisk).

    Text added: Otherwise it all 'smells' at little bit like Elgin. Here is a database listing lots of watches marked 'America' on the dial and movement, perhaps this helps:

    http://www.nawcc-info.org/Fogarty/ElginPrivateAll.asp
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    Re: A couple of pocket watches for identification.

    @Border-Reiver, Many thanks for your research. The information the Waltham confirms and amplifies what I had been able to find on the internet. The database, as you said, tends to confirm Elgin. Could this be a name they used for their cheaper, lower-quality movements? Whoever was responsible made a lot of watches as the serial number is 2706733. If you have any suggestions to finally tie things down they will be most gratefully received! Again, many thanks, garedd.

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    Re: A couple of pocket watches for identification.

    Hi,
    I believe your "America" watch is ca:1876. In the Gold Book it lists it as America Philadelphia USA, on dial and movement. It is a 7 jewel, OF, pendant set, Mdl 5.
    I am unfamiliar with the America labelling and do not know if that was a stand alone co. or a private label type brand.
    Hope this helps at least a little,
    Bill

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    Re: A couple of pocket watches for identification.

    @Bill, Thanks for the information. It could well be correct, except that the watch is lever-set. Following up on the info from Border-Reiver I found a website which indicated that Elgin used "America" between 1897 and 1899 for their 179 model. However, the information says that the movement is a nickel finish and that the watch is pendant-set. I believe that the watch is 7 jewel and suspect that the name has been used by one of the more famous makers for a much cheaper watch movement! garedd.

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    Re: A couple of pocket watches for identification.

    Garedd,
    The watch listed in the gold book was had a gilt plate, also the fact that it is labelled as such in both areas, movement and dial, makes me think that it could be the one. The data that says pendant set, confuses me a little, but stranger things have happened, and it doesn't take much to confuse me.
    Bill

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    Re: A couple of pocket watches for identification.

    Bill, Many thanks for your reply. I suspect the silver case is considerably more valuable than the movement! However, its value to me is as a family heirloom. I think you are probably correct in your diagnosis, but it would be nice to confirm it precisely, if only to add a minute amount more to the general knowledge about watches. Best regards, garedd.

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