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    Dear folks,

    I'm new to collect vintage military watches. They have so amazing looking and strong movements. I'm now trying to collect as many as the Dirty Dozen. I already had a CYMA and a Record, and I know I can't afford the whole Dirty Dozen. I will go maybe half dozen. So here is the dilemma, I decide to add a fine one as my third one. There are two options, Omega or Longines. The Longines "Greenlander" is all good except for the price, it will cost all my budget. If choosing Omega, then I can still get another one in short time. I'd love to hear your thoughts before moving on.
    Thank you for your help in advanced.

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    Re: dilemma in collecting British WWW watch

    Hi There,

    Also have similar aspirations... I currently own the Omega and Buren W.W.W. Quickly realised that some were going to be out of my reach.

    I think my half Dozen (in time) will hopefully be: Omega, Buren, Timor, Vertex, Cyma and Eterna... the last being the hardest one for me to track down.

    I think the Longines will cost you a lot more and be harder to track down... but really is your call.
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    Dear folks,

    I'm new to collect vintage military watches. They have so amazing looking and strong movements. I'm now trying to collect as many as the Dirty Dozen. I already had a CYMA and a Record, and I know I can't afford the whole Dirty Dozen. I will go maybe half dozen. So here is the dilemma, I decide to add a fine one as my third one. There are two options, Omega or Longines. The Longines "Greenlander" is all good except for the price, it will cost all my budget. If choosing Omega, then I can still get another one in short time. I'd love to hear your thoughts before moving on.
    Thank you for your help in advanced.

    Best regards,

    Charles
    Hi Charles
    My advice.
    Buy the best you can afford
    Better to have three OUTSTANDING and rare pieces than 9 'run of the mill'
    Advice that was given to me 8 yrs ago and stood me well.

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    Re: dilemma in collecting British WWW watch

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Hi Charles
    My advice.
    Buy the best you can afford
    Better to have three OUTSTANDING and rare pieces than 9 'run of the mill'
    Advice that was given to me 8 yrs ago and stood me well.

    Best Regards
    adam
    My collecting tends to center around movements. So, to me, a large variety of 'run of the mill' watches which have movements I like is more useful than one El Primero... Hey, it's my taste... my flavors... and I'm the cook and need satisfy no one but myself!

    That said, remember condition when buying. After you have considered that, consider condition. Then remember condition...

    There are price points for everyone. I generally try to buy the best condition for my price point. Maybe that is a lot like what Adam is saying... but it results in a lot fewer high priced pieces and more 'bargains'... (OK, I'm cheap... I admit it.)
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: dilemma in collecting British WWW watch

    Just to tempt you with the Omega...





    Adams point is a good one... buying the best you can afford! The only problem when putting that rational to these watches... its difficult to say whats 'best'....

    As Im sure you know, the value associated to some of these (w.w.w.) watches come from their rarity... so the Grana, being the rarest, is also one of the most expensive (seen a few sell for +£2000). Point being, you may be able to 'afford' this... but I would not say its the 'best'.

    IMO, If you can find a nice example of a Greenlander and afford it... I would go for that! Omaga's are more common...


    And for the value... the Buren is not a bad one to have in the collection!




    Good luck with it!

    Marc

    (edit - would be nice to see some pics of yours)
    Last edited by Sparcster; June 7th, 2013 at 21:01.
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    Re: dilemma in collecting British WWW watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparcster View Post
    Adams point is a good one... buying the best you can afford! The only problem when putting that rational to these watches... its difficult to say whats 'best'....
    What I mean is ' do not shoot from the hip, do NOT buy like a buck shotgun spraying pellets everywhere' Like I first did - before I got a mentor
    Concentrate on an area.
    "whats the best"
    Well in 'this' example the ones that are hard to get and ONLY the 'experienced' collectors buy.
    Sure they cost more, maybe be double - but their rarity makes them worth 4 times the others

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    Re: dilemma in collecting British WWW watch

    Thanks Marc, Adam's point and yours are really helpful, the best I can afford.
    I do know the point that value associated to some of these watches comes from their rarity. But be more specific, the value of Omega less than Longines is because of Longines' movement(12,68Z) or its rarity or even combine? I don't have much source which describes these details.
    And I will also post some photos of my CYMA as soon as it comes back from service. (That may take a while tho... :( )

    Thanks again for your respond.
    Last edited by [email protected]; June 8th, 2013 at 13:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    What I mean is ' do not shoot from the hip, do NOT buy like a buck shotgun spraying pellets everywhere' Like I first did - before I got a mentor
    Concentrate on an area.
    "whats the best"
    Well in 'this' example the ones that are hard to get and ONLY the 'experienced' collectors buy.
    Sure they cost more, maybe be double - but their rarity makes them worth 4 times the others

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    Yup, It's true that "ONLY the 'experienced' collectors buy". My parents and friends always ask me why I spend so much in such old ones instead of new watches, haha.
    Also, you think the value of Greenlander comes from its rarity a lot? Because I more concentrate on the beauty of their movements.
    I'm now 25, and I believe I have more time to collect rare ones when I have better finance condition.

    Thanks.

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    Re: dilemma in collecting British WWW watch

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    What I mean is ' do not shoot from the hip, do NOT buy like a buck shotgun spraying pellets everywhere' Like I first did - before I got a mentor
    Concentrate on an area.
    "whats the best"
    Well in 'this' example the ones that are hard to get and ONLY the 'experienced' collectors buy.
    Sure they cost more, maybe be double - but their rarity makes them worth 4 times the others
    Well I must be in the scattergun category then.

    I don't particularly specialise, and my collection is diverse and rather random. I seldom regret buying cheap, obscure, watches because my expectations are low and if I get something interesting I'm happy. If not, I put them back on ebay and usually recoup most of my outlay. I think new collectors are better advised to stay away from pricier pieces until they've gained some experience and expertise - which is best done by physically handling and examining watches not just by reading about them.

    After that its down to personal interest, aesthetic preference and, importantly, budget.
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    Re: dilemma in collecting British WWW watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrick View Post
    I think new collectors are better advised to stay away from pricier pieces until they've gained some experience and expertise - which is best done by physically handling and examining watches not just by reading about them.
    Couldn't agree more...

    But maybe thats because I started out like that... I bought lots of 'cheap' watches... and I mean lots! My 'log book' between May '10 and Aug '11 lists 180 watches bought and sold. Plus, those are the watches I had bothered to log... it does not mention the watches I flipped quickly. Also, I had been collecting/Buying/Selling for a few years before that...

    During this time, I learned lots.... I was not buying solely to keep all the watches, i was buying them to learn from. It has also meant I have handled many watches and honed my skills in what to look out for... it also lead me to discovery watches i wanted to collect... like the military issue watches above.

    Charles.... generally (and i mean generally) speaking the W.W.W. are all pretty similar... designed to the same required spec... But some are 'better' quality... Also, I would prefer to own the stainless steel case watches... again, generally in the better quality watches.

    If your question is... which has the better movement, the Omega 30T2 or Longines 1268Z... I dont know... But hopefully someone will be able to provide an opinion.

    Being more specific, If I had the choice of either of the two... both in great condition and I could afford either... I would still pick the Longines.

    The case design/shape stands out (imo) compared to many of the others due to its chunkier bezel and size. Its the biggest of the WWWs at 38mm diameter (the Omega is 35mm)

    I also like the Hand design... with its vintage 'cathedral' style hands.


    Marc
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