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    'To Dunhill or Not to Dunhill'...

    Hi - about a year ago there was a fair amount of discussion when I first started acquiring vintage watches about a Dunhill watch that had a silver giiulloche dial that was supposedly late 20s - first pic see below.

    I didn't end up acquiring it (roughly £1200...) because even as a complete newbie the feedback here and comfort level said....eeerrr no.

    On Portobello Rd on Saturday I found another Dunhill watch that seemed kind of interesting but I didn't get it.

    Dunhill of course was not a primary purveyor of watches but more an early 20th century British if it's fair to say (I'm sure my Brit friends here can correct me! - Bobbee, Radger, Matt, Adam) was a 'lifestyle company' selling a variety of specialised, upscale products for Men - well beyond cigarette lighters.

    So their watches were private label products and not therefore I believe as easy to verify because maybe with less signatures it was easier to adapt other watches with added Dunhill dial labelling.

    Supposedly Dunhill first offered watches around 1930 and there were supposedly 3 watch companies producing Dunhill watches including Tavannes so anything original would be from that date or later.

    The second watch below, supposedly early 30s, from this past weekend is in silver and seems to have repainted hands. There were no hallmarks or anything on the case back. It's an early cushion style case where supposedly you had to unscrew the bezel, somehow move or pull out the crown pin and then fold upward the movement to see both a dust cover and the inside caseback.

    I didn't ask the seller to open all of this so I can't verify the details.

    I found it to be an interesting watch but based upon all the discussion from a year ago and subsequently I was curious and slightly wary - although of course Dunhill carries a fair amount of cache or 'positive marketing image'.

    So can a real Dunhill vintage watch ever be fully verified ?

    So I simply ask, 'To Dunhill or not to Dunhill' - cheers ! Scott







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    Re: 'To Dunhill or Not to Dunhill'...

    Fantastic pieces.
    For certain the second has got terrrible relumed hands!
    Does that bezel really screw on? I would love to know, and of so own that watch.
    DUNHILL pieces are very sought after.

    Thanks for posting them, booth lovely pieces
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    'To Dunhill or Not to Dunhill'...

    Thanks Adam - but without more pics of number one, you're comfortable it's a real Dunhill ?

    The thread from a year ago has the details and of course the first watch was from your old 'friend, Marcus' so that was part of the 'warning vibe'.

    Yes the bezel supposedly screws off but I didn't have him do it. There clearly was no way to get in the back of the case, cheers, Scott

    PS - the Dunhill signature I the first watch really seems to have been added later.... No ?

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    'To Dunhill or Not to Dunhill'...

    Btw - all the details are in that Feb 2014 WUS Dunhill thread I started with feedback from Marrick and Roland on the first watch...


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    My 'Fav' 1917 Silver Moser Trench
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    Re: 'To Dunhill or Not to Dunhill'...

    Glad you did not buy that one Scott, it looks like a kids idea of a watch dial painted on Anaglypta wallpaper.
    The hands on the bottom one would put me off too, as what kind of 'repairs' have been done elsewhere on this watch that are on a par with those?
    There's collectable and avoidable. These come under the second one in my eyes.

    Cheers, Bob.
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    Re: 'To Dunhill or Not to Dunhill'...

    Thanks B - agree for sure on these two - it's just it seems like there is a wide gulf between demand for Dunhill CS verifiability - is love to have a Dunhill if I could really prove it was real - so private label verifiability again seems to
    Be a general issue.

    I must say the first watch was quite interesting due to the silver giiulloche dial so I almost pulled the trigger because of that - thanks Bobbee and Adam for the feedback, Scott


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    My 'Fav' 1917 Silver Moser Trench
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    Re: 'To Dunhill or Not to Dunhill'...

    " I've got a bridge for sale too..."

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    Re: 'To Dunhill or Not to Dunhill'...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sdasurrey View Post
    Thanks Adam - but without more pics of number one, you're comfortable it's a real Dunhill ?

    The thread from a year ago has the details and of course the first watch was from your old 'friend, Marcus' so that was part of the 'warning vibe'.

    Yes the bezel supposedly screws off but I didn't have him do it. There clearly was no way to get in the back of the case, cheers, Scott

    PS - the Dunhill signature I the first watch really seems to have been added later.... No ?

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    I never really studied the first one, only to say the original guilloche was magnificent, the numbers/tracks are terrible re-done. The hands look original.

    I love the second watch, cushion shape, lovely dial, pity some one screwed up the hands, but that could be cleaned off.
    and if it is a screw down crown - wow!

    And Marcus? I sadly rarely hear from him, pity really, as he had (has) the best selection of vintage pieces I ever saw, he just will not sell to me any more

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    Re: 'To Dunhill or Not to Dunhill'...

    I doubt the hands are original.
    Why would a "magnificent" guilloche dial need radium numbers and hands? They take away any beauty that dial could have, something Dunhill would surely not do.
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    'To Dunhill or Not to Dunhill'...

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    " I've got a bridge for sale too..."

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    Bobbee - thanks - I don't need to know where the bridge is, just the price - fake credit cards okay ??!! Scott

    PS - maybe it's a 'vintage watch bridge too far' ??!!

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    My 'Show-Piece' - Zenith El Primero 'Red' Captain Ltd Edition #255/500
    My 'Grails' - 1920s & 1930s 18ct Gold Eberhard Monopusher chronos - with a Valjioux 65 movements
    My 'Fav' 1917 Silver Moser Trench
    Various vintage watches - Trench-style, Art Deco & 20s-50s chronographs - especially Eberhard & Longines

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