Early eterna 1907?
Like Tree2Likes

Thread: Early eterna 1907?

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 15
  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    55

    Early eterna 1907?

    Hi.
    I found this wristwatch in a box with other wristwatches I bought for about ten years ago. Can it be an early eterna? The watch are ca 29,5 mm and the movement are ca 26 mm. It stands PROT in cross logo on the movement.



    RTB likes this.

  2. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Wegberg, Germany
    Posts
    3,727

    Re: Early eterna 1907?

    Hi there,

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordwatch View Post
    It stands PROT in cross logo on the movement.
    Yes, this was a trademark of Schild Frčres & Cie, later Eterna. The import hallmark in the case indicates either 1907 or 1927, but as the movement still has the Schild signature, 1907 is much more likely.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
    Last edited by Roland Ranfft; November 18th, 2013 at 21:04.

  3. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    55

    Re: Early eterna 1907?

    Thank you for confirmed it for me. I have to find a good place in my collection for it now. Will it be stupid to use a trench watch strap on the watch?

  4. Remove Advertisements
    WatchUSeek.com
    Advertisements
     

  5. #4
    Vint. Forum Co-Moderator Mirius's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Surrey, UK
    Posts
    3,604

    Re: Early eterna 1907?

    I note that there is a serial number on the movement, which I can't quite read. If it starts 127 then that indicates a production date of 1905/ 1906 which would support the 1907 hallmark date.

    I think a trench watch strap would work very well. I hope that it is serviced before use? The chances of getting that repaired must be about nil.
    Last edited by Mirius; November 19th, 2013 at 18:37.


  6. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    55

    Re: Early eterna 1907?

    Thanks for the info, Mirius. The watch works, but are not serviced. I will put it on display along with other old wristwatches from the year 1900 to 1980.

  7. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Wegberg, Germany
    Posts
    3,727

    Re: Early eterna 1907?

    Hi there,

    if ever a watch is a typical very early wrist watch, this one is it:

    1) The red 12 indicates the "new" position of the 12, compared with common open pocket watches. Later it was misused as fashion gimmick, and is even met on pocket watches.
    2) To destinguish it from the poor man's solution, a converted ladies pocket watch, even gents wristwatches had to be smaller than an average ladies pocket watch. Therefore only one back lid was applied, not to save money, but to reduce the diameter.
    3) If the manufacturer had no sufficiently small hunter movement available, the second was left out. Already the crown at 3h was strange back then, and almost nobody would add a second at 9h to increase confusion. Today the second at 9h is regarded as oldfashioned, and some love it for this nonsense.

    Maybe this all hard to understand today. So simply imagine if somebody would place the 12 (or any but 3) at the crown today.....

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

  8. #7
    Member Eeeb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Great Lakes - USofA
    Posts
    18,158

    Re: Early eterna 1907?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post
    ...
    1) The red 12 indicates the "new" position of the 12, compared with common open pocket watches. Later it was misused as fashion gimmick, and is even met on pocket watches...
    Adam (Horologist007) had to explain the meaning of red '12's to me while showing me his collection of early wrist watches... until then I had always thought it an English watch fashion oddity.

    But it clearly was a learning aid for the new wearer of watches on the wrist...
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

  9. #8
    Member HOROLOGIST007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Costa Blanca Spain
    Posts
    13,406

    Re: Early eterna 1907?

    1907 is mighty (really) mighty early for a wristwatch.
    we can say first mens wristwatch was 1904, the earliest advert I have is 1906, and the earliest piece I own is 1908.

    so that is a VERY, Very rare piece
    Congratulations
    Sincerely
    Adam
    Last edited by HOROLOGIST007; November 20th, 2013 at 00:15. Reason: added mens
    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT. FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL. THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.

    "Failure is not an option" - Gene Kranz
    "Owning a vintage watch is great, understanding where it sits in Horology is magnificent"
    and
    "By Teaching Others, We Teach Ourselves"
    Adam

  10. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    55

    Re: Early eterna 1907?

    Thanks for your replies. Yes, it was an interesting discovery and I have had this watch for years without checking it out. And I am equally interested in the story behind my watches.

  11. #10
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    55

    Re: Early eterna 1907?

    I found this patent today from 1904. Espacenet - Original document

    It is same lugs that is on my watch. Schild Freres & Co planning to produce wristwatches already in 1903.


    Maybe my watch was build in 1905, as the produce number tell us? Maybe it was hard to sell wristwatches in 1905 and the watches were not sold until after a few years? What do you think?



    And a question about the red twelve: Is there evidence of other wristwatch manufacturers have used red twelve earlier than 1905?

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •