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    Early Nurse's Sweep Second Watch

    This came today:



    Inside the back cover is rather interesting:



    The hallmarks are Swiss .935 (probably where the case was made) plus George Stockwell's GS mark as the importer into London and London assay mark .925 for 1914. And 84 in a box. This is a Russian mark for silver above .875 purity. Russian Hallmarks • Online Encyclopedia of Silver Marks, Hallmarks & Makers' Marks

    In addition, it has the letter Y in a lozenge which is the mark (registered 1912) of Frey et cie. Mikrolisk - The horological trade mark index (down near the bottom).

    One of Adam's nurse's watches also has Frey's mark on the case https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/gal...ch-906520.html

    The movement doesn't look to be a Gallet; and I can't ID it. No marks under the balance but if anyone can identify it I'd be grateful. Seems to be 10'''.



    Apparently recently serviced by a BHI registered watchmaker - and keeping time so far. My wife likes it.

    Thanks for reading. Any theories as to how it came to have a Russian mark inside very welcome.
    Last edited by Marrick; August 5th, 2014 at 20:45.
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    Re: Early Nurse's Sweep Second Watch

    What a great watch.

    Sorry I can't place this movement.
    The hallmarks are very interesting, I've never saw so many in a case back
    and the Russian mark is a first for me.
    A rare thing.

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    Re: Early Nurse's Sweep Second Watch

    Very nice. I was watching that one so glad you got it.


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    Re: Early Nurse's Sweep Second Watch

    Congratulations.
    I surely missed that.
    Glad you got it.
    I bet its a Gallet movement.
    Who else had a direct sweep seconds in 1912??

    E mail me the pictures of movement, case and dial and I will ask Gallet
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    Here is Gallet 1919 Catalog page with sweep second caliber
    Sorry I have not studied it to yours


    Once again - great early piece
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    Re: Early Nurse's Sweep Second Watch

    How did I miss the Frey mark when I was checking the listing? Looking for another watch I noticed that I have an almost identical centre seconds movement that is marked Frey both on movement and case. Mine though lacks both UK hallmarks and the centre seconds parts which have been removed. The click on mine is also different, but in the same place so I think they would be the same calibre.

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    Re: Early Nurse's Sweep Second Watch

    Pics sent Adam.
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    Re: Early Nurse's Sweep Second Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirius View Post
    How did I miss the Frey mark when I was checking the listing? Looking for another watch I noticed that I have an almost identical centre seconds movement that is marked Frey both on movement and case. Mine though lacks both UK hallmarks and the centre seconds parts which have been removed. The click on mine is also different, but in the same place so I think they would be the same calibre.

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    I think so too - there are a lot of similarities. Perhaps someone with early Frey documentation will show up. WRT your earlier post, I was surprised to be the only bidder - but he started it at a high price and didn't describe its key feature very well. Also, being a ladies' watch must limit the appeal.

    Its a pity yours has been reduced somewhat - but still a rare example.

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    Re: Early Nurse's Sweep Second Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrick View Post
    Pics sent Adam.
    Passed to Gallet.
    Lets wait.
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    Re: Early Nurse's Sweep Second Watch

    Is the screw for the hairspring terminal below the pin instead of to the side? That and a number of other design elements make me doubt this is a gallet. The crown wheel and click spring designs also don't seem to match the known gallet watches I've seen. Sweep second, of course, wasn't new to the 20th century, it was just rare.
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    Re: Early Nurse's Sweep Second Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    Is the screw for the hairspring terminal below the pin instead of to the side?
    Yes - I think so. Well, its certainly not visible. Anyway, off to bed now as its tomorrow already!

    Been looking to find any more images of Frey movements and found this on ebay:

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    Definitely the same configuration.
    Last edited by Marrick; August 6th, 2014 at 12:57.
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