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    Early Waltham

    Hey there guys! I recently purchased a Waltham 11j from early 1866. Everything's great except for the case. My case says "A.W.Co" with a lion under the script. Isn't the case supposed to have an eagle? I looked all over and cannot find one. Can someone please explain why? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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    Re: Early Waltham

    Photo's help a lot to ID a watch.Could be a English hall mark but with out photo's I can't really help you.Do a search on the forum for how to post photo's.

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    Re: Early Waltham

    The mark sounds correct to me for a case of this approximate age.

    I agree that a photo would tell a lot.
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    Here, I hope this works. Thanks for the help!

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    Re: Early Waltham

    Looks fine to me...
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    Re: Early Waltham

    Thanks, but isn't that a british sterling silver mark on an American watch? Hmm.....

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    Re: Early Waltham

    It's not quite the same mark as the British standard mark.

    The Lion passant was used on some American cases from this era.
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    Re: Early Waltham

    Here is a photo of one of my English silver watch cases.What I think is it was a import to England and had that mark put on in England as proof it was silver so it could be sold.I been collecting pocket watches for years and never seen that mark on one in the states.And I seen a lot of them at NAWCC shows.

    That mark sure looks like the silver mark on my English case.Also looked in a few books I got on pocket watches and silver marks nothing in the the USA with that mark.That's why I think that was a imported to England.

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    Re: Early Waltham

    Sorry, but I'm standing by my statement that this was a mark used on early AWCo cases.

    An English hallmark isn't an English hallmark unless it includes at least three elements-the Lion passant is only one of them. The other necessary marks are the assay hall mark and the date letter.

    Here is another AWCo(c.1863-64) from my collection with a lion passant

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    Re: Early Waltham

    Here is a link from the NAWCC forum I guess a few years ago they were on the same topic.
    American-made coin hunter case, stamped with English Lion Passant - Page 2

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