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    Ebay fake 1800 Graham verge

    Sold by 100% regular seller Jan. 10. Properly described as 1800 Graham. The famous one would be marked George or Geo. Graham. I read that there were many old fakes. I hope bidders were aware of the difference. It went for $400. a little high for a common junky verge.
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    I'm sure the buyer knew exactly what he was buying

    He bids exclusively on PWs and has 2100 feedbacks--certainly no newcomer to watches.

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    Re: Ebay fake 1800 Graham verge

    Are those masonic symbols on the wind plate?
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    Re: Ebay fake 1800 Graham verge

    I guess today $400 is ok value on most any old verge. The regulator normally has 1-10 scale. Turk or other odd numbers?
    Last edited by artb; January 12th, 2010 at 05:29.

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    Re: Ebay fake 1800 Graham verge

    Swiss fakes of quality English watches were common. The engraving style is Swiss in my opinion, and it is considerably cruder than the type of first class engraver that Graham would have employed to do the balance cock. Also, as noted, the watch would have been signed Geo.Graham, and also probably dated.

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    Re: Ebay fake 1800 Graham verge

    When this verge was made the Swiss were making cukoo clocks.

    I've no doubt that this watch is by Graham of London, but not 'the' George
    Graham.

    In London at the turn of 1800's there were a few Grahams
    producing watches, there was a Charles Graham, a James Graham and another
    George Graham and possibly more.

    Somebody going to the bother of faking a watch like this would at least get the
    signature correct...if it was by the 'other' George Graham then perhaps he left 'Geo'
    out to differentiate his watches from his more famous counterpart down the road.

    Here is my Graham Verge from this same period...
    James Graham London 1802

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    Re: Ebay fake 1800 Graham verge

    Looks Like I was lucky to get a real George Graham. I suppose the cylinder escapement was rarely copied and maybe cannot call a James Graham verge, or other Grahams by makers with the same name deliberate fakes. So anyone considering a real Geo. Graham certainly needs to be aware of the various makers and actual fakes. I certainly was not. As usual learning a lot with this forum.

    The more I know the more I know how little I know.


    The James Graham looks like a nice one

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    Re: Ebay fake 1800 Graham verge

    Stylistically the watch is 1780s to about 1800, so I'd say that the description is far.

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    Re: Ebay fake 1800 Graham verge

    Quote Originally Posted by radger View Post
    When this verge was made the Swiss were making cukoo clocks
    To the best of my knowledge the Swiss never made cuckoo clocks. These have always been exclusively German and exclusively a Black Forest product. I think the Cuckoo clock industry started in the early 1700s (around 1730) in the Schwarzwald.

    Somebody going to the bother of faking a watch like this would at least get the
    signature correct...if it was by the 'other' George Graham then perhaps he left 'Geo'
    out to differentiate his watches from his more famous counterpart down the road.
    You would be surprised at how bad (and laughable) many of the fakes were. The NAWCC has had several magazine articles about them. Perhaps the all time victim of fakes is Breguet.

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