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    I am inquiring about a ladies Elgin pendant pocket which I plan to mainly wear as a necklace. It is missing a stem, is this an item difficult to find? The watch is from 1888 and reads Wadsworth Referee inside the case. Elgin site shows:

    Production Year : 1917
    Size : 5/0s
    Jewels : 7 jewels
    Grade : 432
    Model : 2
    Run Quantity : 3000
    Production Dates : 1915 to 1916
    Total Grade Production : 52000
    Movement Configuration : Open Face (wristwatch)
    Movement Setting : Pendant Wind and Set
    Movement Finish : Nickel Damaskeening
    Plate : 3/4 Plate
    Barrel : Going Barrel
    Adjusted : No
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    Thanks!

    (Updated as I had looked up the case number by mistake! This is from the movement number)
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    Do you have a sleeve? Crown? Winding arbor? Pics?
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    Sent you info via private message. And obv scratch that "1888" as it's from the early 1900s. I've been looking for another to see what the stem looks like but haven't found one yet. ty!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vellen08 View Post
    Sent you info via private message. And obv scratch that "1888" as it's from the early 1900s. I've been looking for another to see what the stem looks like but haven't found one yet. ty!
    American pocket watches generally are different than swiss with regard to winding and setting.

    Swiss usually have a one piece system that serves to connect the crown to the sliding pinion.

    Amercan's generally use three primary components for this same purpose - a case stem, a sleeve and a winding arbor.

    The case stem transmits force to the winding arbor via a square connecting key way.

    The crown is attached to the case stem.

    The winding arbor engages the sliding pinion.

    The sleeve retains the case stem in the case and provides partial detente.
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    Re: Elgin Ladies Pendant Watch .. question

    Well I won the auction. The watch does have a sleeve but I'm wondering how to find out which stem would fit it. Or is it more complicated than that? Attaching images from auction site:



    Any help is appreciated and in layman terms please! Vikki
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    Since this watch has presumably been sitting unused for a long time, at the very least it will need a clean/oil/adjust service if you are going to use it. Otherwise it will not run very well, or for very long, even if you are able to replace the stem. Also, since you bought a non-working watch, you really have no way of knowing that there aren't other problems besides the missing stem. So why not take it to a competent independent watchmaker who can replace the stem for a modest additional cost at the same time as the COA. He will be in a much better position to find and order the needed parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vellen08 View Post
    . . . . The watch does have a sleeve but I'm wondering how to find out which stem would fit it. Or is it more complicated than that? Attaching images from auction site: . . . . Any help is appreciated and in layman terms please! Vikki
    Firstly:

    You purposefully bought vintage.

    It did not drop out of the sky.

    As a collector it is now your responsibility to adopt the pre-existing lexicon and otherwise educate yourself.

    Google image search is your friend!



    Stems and sleeves are case brand and model specific.

    You have a sleeve but no stem.

    The sleeve is supposed to retain the stem.

    Your sleeve may be damaged or require adjustment or replacement.

    You will need a crown which almost always requires fitting (under reaming or other modification) for a proper appearance/operation.

    There is a sticky in f6 that identifies material sources.

    Enjoy.

    You are now in the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by badbackdan View Post
    . . . . So why not take it to a competent independent watchmaker who can replace the stem for a modest additional cost at the same time as the COA. He will be in a much better position to find and order the needed parts.
    Many watchmakers won't accept this work.

    Few have the stem and sleeve assortment.

    Fewer have the reamers, wrenches, mills, etc necessary to efficiently complete the work.

    Even fewer have solid experience on casework.
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    Re: Elgin Ladies Pendant Watch .. question

    I bought it to wear as jewelry (necklace) so not really worried about it not working at this point, it was just $14. If I do find a stem/crown, is it difficult to attach it or would a professional need to do that? Thank you for your reply!

    Vikki

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    Quote Originally Posted by vellen08 View Post
    I bought it to wear as jewelry (necklace) so not really worried about it not working at this point, it was just $14. If I do find a stem/crown, is it difficult to attach it or would a professional need to do that? Thank you for your reply!

    Vikki
    You would have to get very lucky to find all the parts that would allow you to do this yourself. And as I mentioned, the watch still might not function, since there could easily be other problems with the movement.
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    Re: Elgin Ladies Pendant Watch .. question

    I see, so it will merely be a necklace, thanks for the information

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