Is this Elgin orignal and are the parts correct to the watch?

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    Is this Elgin orignal and are the parts correct to the watch?





    I'm very interested in this Elgin (or a similar Elgin in this style). The seller claims it is circa 1918. I also want to verify that the parts are original to the watch or if it is a franken or not.

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    Re: Is this Elgin orignal and are the parts correct to the watch?

    That looks like it should, maybe the hands have been replaced? Serial number dates it to 1918. They made these until 1927.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outta Time View Post
    That looks like it should, maybe the hands have been replaced? Serial number dates it to 1918. They made these until 1927.
    Thanks. Not sure about the hands, but the seller claims they are original. Did Elgin name their models (I'm guessing no)? Because I'm not even sure what to search for when trying to come up with some information about this watch.

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    Re: Is this Elgin orignal and are the parts correct to the watch?

    Elgin never really got along with the Illinois Watch Case Co., so my guess is this is a period-correct after-market pocketwatch modification, common to the period after WWI.
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    I would have never guessed the movement/dial was out of a pocket watch... Thanks for your insight.

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    The dial isn't out of a pocket watch, if it was the sub seconds wouldn't be at 9. I also have an elgin with IWCco case

    If I only had a crystal for it, I would wear it. The inside of the case says -cased and timed by Elgin National Watch Co.
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    Re: Is this Elgin orignal and are the parts correct to the watch?

    Quote Originally Posted by ltri View Post
    The dial isn't out of a pocket watch, if it was the sub seconds wouldn't be at 9. I also have an elgin with IWCco case
    Not saying they Elgin didn't use Illinois case, just that they weren't exactly a preferred vendor, and as yours shows, they took pains to differentiate their version. Bit of history here: [ELGIN] Illinois Watch Case Company of Elgin and Elgin American

    As for the seconds hand at 9:00, that's because it's an open-face pocket watch movement (likely from a ladies fob watch) not a hunter version. As wristwatches gained in popularity, many vendors found themselves with a stock of pocketwatch movements that they couldn't move, so there was a decent trade in cases and dials to facilitate the conversion.
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    Re: Is this Elgin orignal and are the parts correct to the watch?

    Quote Originally Posted by ImitationOfLife View Post

    The crown looks a bit weird/modern.
    Were not most crowns very flat at that time?
    This one is more like from a Pilots watch (or a military watch where the need was to operate the crown with gloved hands)

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    Re: Is this Elgin orignal and are the parts correct to the watch?

    The crown looks a bit weird because the stem tube has a large diameter to accommodate the setting works. European and later American movements, had the setting works inside the movement, and had a flat crown was used. Pocket watch movements often had the setting works in the pendent giving rise to the term 'a negative set watch'.

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