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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

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    In 1916 the requirement was Nickel but I believe that this was changed in early 1918 to allow for the use of Silverode, Silverine, Nickel Silver, Ore Silver and Sterling Silver, evidence strongly suggests this.

    But, like I said before, the 1918 documents spelling out the General Specification have been lost in time but clues remain.

    When war breaks out the rules quickly change, shortages of one metal means that another one takes it's place.

    I do not know how or why they came to the decisions when it comes to case materials, nobody will probably ever know the answers to that one.

    I never said that Khaki sterling silver wrist watches were being supplied to the US Army, I only quoted the specifications that were required by the US Army pertaining to a black finish on the cases.
    Hi thanks for the clarification.

    Have you ever saw a silver cased watch with a 'genuine' factory produced black finish?
    Depollier or other?

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    In 1916 the requirement was Nickel. es.
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    do the documents that you have, actually state "nickel"?
    where do we know that the us army stated the case meterial.
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    This is pretty much all that I'm going to give you guys on this one, I'm not going to give up anything else.

    Become an expert on "Japanning Sterling Silver" or Japanned Finish".
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Quote Originally Posted by radger View Post
    Hi thanks for the clarification.

    Have you ever saw a silver cased watch with a 'genuine' factory produced black finish?
    Depollier or other?

    Yes.
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Stan
    do the documents that you have, actually state "nickel"?
    where do we know that the us army stated the case meterial.
    i never saw that
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    Yes, Wrist Watch General Specification 579-D in 1916 required Nickel for the US Army.
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Strange, sound like mine, and the one I posted above, which is tarnished.
    do you have a link to that thread?
    thanks
    I was wrong I apologise, it was this post I read....
    Vintage Watch Forums :: View topic - Provenance, Provenance, Provenance

    This would be the original watch and box you posted in this thread also, no mention of a black painted finish
    at all, brilliant watch.

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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Stan,

    Do you think my Dennison that i showed in another thread, would be this "Japanning" finish? Everyone else thought it might of been tarnish and not black paint, however its got a screw case and black dial.. and the mostly blackish finish to it. It sorta suggests by what you say that it could be military. Do you think it isn't black paint, but the "black finish" by this "Japanning" method?
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

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    Yes.
    Excellent, no freebies on this I take it.

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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Quote Originally Posted by 28A View Post
    Stan,

    Do you think my Dennison that i showed in another thread, would be this "Japanning" finish? Everyone else thought it might of been tarnish and not black paint, however its got a screw case and black dial.. and the mostly blackish finish to it. It sorta suggests by what you say that it could be military. Do you think it isn't black paint, but the "black finish" by this "Japanning" method?
    Jappaning is a process where the black finish would be built up with laquers or resins, it would be fairly thick
    and easily discernible.
    It would work well on brass and nickel perhaps. I have examples of military black jappaned scientific instruments
    in brass. I've never saw an example of black jappaned silver.
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    "Japanned finish" on a "silver case" was Depollier's words.

    I don't know exactly how they accomplished this but those were words that were used.

    I have no idea when it comes to the durability and longevity of this method on silver or any other material like Nickel or Ore Silver.

    Obviously everybody had their own "special secret sauce" when it came to blackening cases to meet the spec.
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