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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Stan,

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    WW1 Waltham Khaki Military Depoiler Trench Watch RARE 1918 | eBay
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    I'm obviously the non expert round here but I'm just wondering if we're all reading too much into the "Silver" part of the description.

    I've spent some time researching WW2 watches, nothing serious, just for myself, and from what I can find out the specifications for both the British WWW's and the German D's and DH's were very similar, they both called for watches with "White Metal" cases and this meant anything from full Stainless steel to Chrome plated base metals.
    What does this have to add to the discussion? Well I'm just wondering if the term SILVER is the same thing and just a simplified term for the procurement order.

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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Wrong war!
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

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    Wrong war!
    I was using it as an example of how government forms can be misleading

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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Quote Originally Posted by busmatt View Post
    I'm obviously the non expert round here but I'm just wondering if we're all reading too much into the "Silver" part of the description.

    I've spent some time researching WW2 watches, nothing serious, just for myself, and from what I can find out the specifications for both the British WWW's and the German D's and DH's were very similar, they both called for watches with "White Metal" cases and this meant anything from full Stainless steel to Chrome plated base metals.
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    In my experience "white metal" is simply a base metal that has been chrome plated in some manner.

    The plating is cheap and does not stand the test of time very well.


    On the other hand Silver is Silver.
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

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    In my experience "white metal" is simply a base metal that has been chrome plated in some manner.

    The plating is cheap and does not stand the test of time very well.


    On the other hand Silver is Silver.
    I hear you Stan, and that's what I thought but in these cases White Metal meant anything silver in colour, and on this side of the pond antiques that are most likely silver but are not hall marked for whatever reason are sold as White metal.

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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Quote Originally Posted by Literustyfan View Post
    Yes, Wrist Watch General Specification 579-D in 1916 required Nickel for the US Army.
    OK It has taken me three days searching, but I found the spec!

    Para e) Case. The case shall be of oxidized nickel, with dull black finish...........(more).......
    The document covers the whole watch.

    I have downloaded copies and I have requested originals (copies of originals)

    So it does exist!
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    OK
    Here is an Elgin with original black paint:
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    That is a Joseph Fahys, OreSilver, Semi-Hermetic case with the original factory crown.

    One of the two confirmed cases being used by the US Army in 1918 when the spec changed.

    Model #3 dial and the hands are 100% correct.

    Perfect example!

    It does not get much better than that!
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    This is what the the inside of the case backs looked like on the Joseph Fahys, OreSilver, Semi-Hermetic models.

    Not all cases were done black on the inside but these Fahys models were.

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