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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    It sounds like you guys are trying to goad me into posting this evidence and the documents, sorry but that is just not going to happen.

    LOL!

    Completely understandable!

    I would try to squeeze the guy who knew as well in order to get the goods.

    About 100 years ago different terms and wording were used that we do not use today, everybody is barking up the wrong tree when doing research and looking for the answers.

    Hand drawn pictures of these watches exist showing them with black cases, trust me.

    I will go into the different methods used to get the desired results down the road (demonstration).

    The term "black paint" probably needs to be tightened up and defined, which I will do.

    It's one of those terms like "shrapnel guard".

    No manufacturer ever called it a "shrapnel guard", it is just a VERY generalized term for "crystal guards", "watch protectors" and "mesh guards" which all means the same thing.
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    I agree with Horologist007,the watch at post 54 in tarnished not painted..........here`s the why,a white dial and a black case?Black and white create high contrast,i.e,high visibility and i thought the whole point of the black case was to keep these watches hidden,or less visible?So why bother painting a watch with a white dial?
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    Stan, you're a tease!
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollonaught View Post
    I agree with Horologist007,the watch at post 54 in tarnished not painted..........here`s the why,a white dial and a black case?Black and white create high contrast,i.e,high visibility and i thought the whole point of the black case was to keep these watches hidden,or less visible?So why bother painting a watch with a white dial?

    Read post #61 again.

    A special military crystal was used that would darken the white dial and the lum that would glow in the dark.
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Quote Originally Posted by Literustyfan View Post
    Read post #61 again.

    A special military crystal was used that would darken the white dial and the lum that would glow in the dark.
    Ah! So the watch at post 54 is missing the crystal.?


    Edit:Wouldn`t it be easier to provide the documents than answer my silly questions
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Yes, the crystal is missing.

    And no, I'm not giving up the documents until my next book comes out, sorry.
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    We know well that advert + many others, I don't think I have any with the mention of black paint either!
    Here is mine:

    WALTHAM Depollier 1917 in its Original Box.






    With another DEPOLLIER ADVERT
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Don't worry, if I happen to get hit by a bus before the next book comes out my wife has instructions on what to do with all of my research materials and evidence.

    LOL!

    Everything will get into the proper hands.......................
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Quote Originally Posted by Literustyfan View Post
    Don't worry, if I happen to get hit by a bus before the next book comes out my wife has instructions on what to do with all of my research materials and evidence.

    LOL!

    Everything will get into the proper hands.......................
    LOL, the evidence and proofs are the surviving watches themselves I would think.

    Are you saying that you have some secret evidence which proves that these silver Khaki watches were originaly
    painted black?

    Have you ever saw a silver watchcase painted black by the manufacturer?

    Surely many would survive if they were painted black, there must be a genuine black painted
    silver Kahki watch somewhere to support your secret info, surely.
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    Re: Elgin - Trench Watches of the Great War - WRUW

    Quote Originally Posted by radger View Post
    LOL, the evidence and proofs are the surviving watches themselves I would think.

    Are you saying that you have some secret evidence which proves that these silver Khaki watches were originaly
    painted black?

    Have you ever saw a silver watchcase painted black by the manufacturer?

    Surely many would survive if they were painted black, there must be a genuine black painted
    silver Kahki watch somewhere to support your secret info, surely.

    "Secret evidence", yes it is in my possession.

    No, not all of them had a black finish obviously.

    It is unknown who exactly treated the cases at this point, the manufacturer or a 3rd party who was selling the watches to the US Army as per General Specification 579-D which required the cases to have a "dull black finish".

    This requirement started on October 24, 1916.

    Those of you who have my book, read page #7.


    But, keep in mind when reading page 7 that the General Specification was once again changed in early 1918 to allow cases of other materials and designs to be purchased.

    I don't have a doubt in my mind that the 1918 spec also required black dials.

    The spec also changed requiring that the cases be "threaded" (aka, semi-hermetic) in 1918 from the "snap-together" versions.

    Cases made by Fahys and the Illinois Watch Case Company prove this fact.

    The updated 1918 General Specification has unfortunately been lost in time though, but clues were left behind if you know how to piece the puzzle back together.

    It took me about 5+ years to piece back together what I know pertaining to the updated 1918 General Specification.
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