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    A fine fancy Liverpool Brit antique

    Seems to me there were many 18k open face case watches made with multicolor dials in 19th century England. I have a good one, but I am impressed with the best I have seen owned by a friend. 1850-60?Snapshots here to show the fine detail finish work. How many hours needed to make this and could it practically ever be done again? Swiss immigrants in New York 1870+ started m.c. decorated cases. Mainly on hunter forms and 14K in U.S. Do not know of m.c. dials made in U.S. like this one anyway. Of course I mean here that the skills for case and dial decoration in the U.S. came late with immigrants. All I have seen that are m.c. U.S. made are 14k. English seem mostly to be 18k.

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    Re: A fine fancy Liverpool Brit antique

    That must have been a very expensive watch when new!!
    Really nice!

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    Re: A fine fancy Liverpool Brit antique

    Astonishing craftsmanship.

    In the UK market the usual gold standards are 9, 18, 22 and 24ct. The 14ct standard is legal - but was only introduced in 1932: "12 ct and 15 ct were discontinued in 1932 in Britain when the 14ct standard was introduced." Caratage On Antique Jewelry Investor

    So you shouldn't see British 14ct gold on vintage PWs.
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    Re: A fine fancy Liverpool Brit antique

    Janne: It would be nice to know who and how this was originally bought and why it was very little used, and if Johnson had a reputation.

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    Re: A fine fancy Liverpool Brit antique

    Marrick: Surprise for me. I am older than 14k use in England. Long time ago got an old Brit. pinchbeck? case which looked like nice soft gold although lighter weight. Was that common and do I remember correctly zinc and copper alloy?

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    There is very little 14ct gold on sale in the UK (although it can be found) - mostly 9ct with some 18ct and a little 22ct. I think (guessing) that 14ct must have been approved for the sake of exports to the USA. For example:

    Rings Gold- H.Samuel the Jeweller - NO 14ct rings

    Wedding Bands : Gold, Palladium, Platinum Wedding Rings : Diamond Eternity Rings - NO 14ct rings.

    Pinchbeck was used for a variety of jewellery - you see it at antique fairs, but I'm not sure how common it was. Indeed it was copper and zinc:

    Pinchbeck (alloy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    But I was under the impression, perhaps wrongly, that it was a 'secret process' that died with Pinchbeck himself.
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    *EDIT* all my questions were answered in the other thread.
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    Re: A fine fancy Liverpool Brit antique

    Very nice. Reminds me of my great, great grandfather's watch. It was made with a Liverpool Ébauche and finished in Llandidloes Wales where my GGF was from. He bought the watch just a few months before immigrating to America. Pictures follow:
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    Re: A fine fancy Liverpool Brit antique

    A nice one. Even the plain ones were a lot of individuals' handwork.

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