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    First vintage watch. Should it be one of these Gruens?

    Hi guys. Novice here.
    I'm looking to acquire my first vintage watch and after looking around for a long time, am drawn to the 20s era Gruen Quadron tank watches.

    Two current ebay auctions have caught my eye:

    1928 Gruen Quadron 157
    RARE 1928 Gruen "Quadron" 157 Swiss Art Deco Men Watch 14k White GF All Orig | eBay

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    From my limited research, sounds like the 157 is more rare. Seller empressissi is apparently a participant here and well regarded, which is a big plus. Sounds like there's no worry that it's been over-restored. But at $879, it's more than I intended to spend.

    The other auction is this Gruen 117 with "enameled" case:
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    The 117 is more common, from my understanding. Looks like the dial isn't clean and I'm not sure if it would require additional work? I do like the case, but what is meant in the description when they say the case as been "professional cleaned and enameled?" Is that a red flag?

    Any thoughts on these two watches? Does the $879 price on the first one seem realistic?

    Thanks!

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    Re: First vintage watch. Should it be one of these Gruens?

    My thoughts: Gruen is a good choise

    The first one..I'm not sure but there is something that bothers me. Look at the other watches of the seller and their dials.

    Personally for a first sell of vintages I would take myself some time and start smooth. Just watching and comparing. Search for all pictures you can get and compare price and if it's a forum read the comments. Within a short time you'll be a specialist for Gruen Quadron.

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    Re: First vintage watch. Should it be one of these Gruens?

    Those are good looking watches. I don't know prices, but eBay is usually the best way to find what the going rate is. Try searching sold listings. I'm sure the seller has great references so buy with confidence when you are comfortable with the watch and seller.

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    Re: First vintage watch. Should it be one of these Gruens?

    Two great choices. I love Gruens!

    To me the second (117) was the better piece
    Dial looks original, but the hands maybe not! surely re lumed. But look at that lovely (fantastic) enameled case!
    It means that they have repainted the case with a black enamel paint.
    it is not the same as original, but no individual can now enamel a case or dial. So perfectly acceptable.

    But The first (157) is very cool but re-lumed dial and hands.
    Lovely case with a crown that fits like a glove

    Bazzab is our Gruen expert, I hope he pops in and truly gives his very knowledgable advice

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    Re: First vintage watch. Should it be one of these Gruens?

    Yes I found it...looks very serious and the change of lumina is good and not bad and still orginal. I don't know anything about prices of gruen quadron but this is NOS and therefore it's correct to demand a top price.

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    First vintage watch. Should it be one of these Gruens?

    Mla - a couple of quick comments from a 'relative novice' but who has learned a lot in 7 months of 'doing' vintage watches: (1) I have successfully bought one late 30s Bulova from the first watch seller, empressisi who is well known and usually is quite clear about redials or not because he sells some to collectors - looks like a redial ? Does he say that ? So 'Buy The seller' is a key commandment in vintage, (2) the second watch IMHO looks more interesting, dial probably original and there is a slight bit of radium burn in the middle of the dial ? If so this is NOT a problem if there's any so don't let that stop you from buying and it's a potential sign the dial is original.

    To vintager's on this forum the second motto is 'patina, patina, patina...'. Gruen made good watches in this era and the second watch has more interesting patina, including the slight darkening around the hands.

    Finally to really have these great vintage guys here give good feedback or advice, showing movement and hallmark pics help so if they are there, from the seller, post them here - if these pics aren't there ( sorry I didn't check your links) run ! And don't ever buy vintage w/o full pics ! Good luck - as was suggested above, going slow at first is not bad advice... SDA

    EDIT - following 007's comment, yes it may be re-enamelled, the black in the indentations on the bezel but these art deco watches to me just add a lot if texture I personally like - now you even tell of it's original enamel of not it's hard to tell so ago cares ?! But also if Roland says it's too expensive - he knows a boatload more than me that's for sure !
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    Re: First vintage watch. Should it be one of these Gruens?

    To add to my original post
    The hands on the second piece puts me off it.
    Even if original, re-luming so different to original dial.
    That would always put me off
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    Re: First vintage watch. Should it be one of these Gruens?

    Hi there,

    Quote Originally Posted by mla View Post
    Does the $879 price on the first one seem realistic?
    We usually don't discuss prices here, but this is no price, it's a joke (although no good one).

    Compare with this watch:
    bidfun-db Archive: Wrist Watches: 846: Gents Siegerin KM Manual Wind, Tank-Shape, Steel, ca. 1935 n.o.s.
    Gruen 157 movement, case quality and durability orders of magnitude higher, and finally never worn. And now consider that many regard my site as expensive.

    Of course the design is not the same, and it is impossible to argue about personal visual preferences, but nevertheless this watch can be taken at least for price/value comparison.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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    Re: First vintage watch. Should it be one of these Gruens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sdasurrey View Post

    To vintager's on this forum the second motto is 'patina, patina, patina...'. Gruen made good watches in this era and the second watch has more interesting patina, including the slight darkening around the hands.

    ... SDA
    Not sure I see any "Patina" maybe slight yellowing
    "darkening around the hands" - I think not patina just original re-lumed hands.
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    First vintage watch. Should it be one of these Gruens?

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Not sure I see any "Patina" maybe slight yellowing
    "darkening around the hands" - I think not patina just original re-lumed hands.
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    Adam that's fine wasn't suggesting it was a lot, just a little more patina than the first watch which still looks on an iphone like a re dial..? I'm kind of 'lumping' patina and yellowing together...
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