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    First Waltham Lady watch?

    After years of neglecting available serial number listings, have finally excercised the Waltham list. I believe this old 10 size was first one they advertised as made for women. Not too common with 500 movements made 1874-5. Less common as Appleton Tracy grade in original 18k unblemished case. I do not believe ever serviced but after 136 years runs freely with little spring pressure. It demonstrates why the Americans used to lead with their watch designs for the general population.
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    Re: First Waltham Lady watch?

    Congrats on the Pick-up!

    General condition looks pretty good andlike the hand design,


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    Re: First Waltham Lady watch?

    Art,

    That's certainly a beauty of a watch in an even better case.

    With that said, though, your watch represents an 1865 model, which was not the earliest Lady Waltham model. The earliest was the 1861 model, a very similar movement also in 10 size that differs primarily visually in the shape and design of the winding eustacion, as well as the lack of the "Fogg's Safety Pinion" marking around the center keywind arbor(although many 1865 models also lack the Fogg's marking).

    I'm looking at an 1862 catalog now which describes the P. S. Bartlett and Appleton, Tracy & Co. grade of these, as well as a third grade-the American Watch Company grade. The NAWCC database reports only 10 of the American Watch Company grade of these, although Erhardt V1 lists a run of these from 45,801 to 46,200 and lists it as 12 size. So, I suppose, it technically shouldn't be included in this discussion.

    It appears as though you're missing the key guard on the center setting(a photo of one of mine below to illustrate the point).



    I really like these little ladies' sized movements. They're a great and(relatively) inexpensive way to collect early, 3/4 plate Waltham keywinds. They're much more affordable than the "big brother" 1859, 1860, and 1862 models, plus haven't attracted as much collector attention so largely haven't been messed around with as much.
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    Re: First Waltham Lady watch?

    Ben: Really appreciate the thorough explanation. Surprised at 1861 for 10 size origin. Maybe you could comment on this 1884 8 size?Is shown on Waltham listing as 700 in 1884 in both 8s and 6s. The case is marked Waltham as though made there.
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