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    Girard-Perregaux ID

    Hi, was thinking of buying this watch and would like some opinions on authenticity as well as year/model. The seller is based in Argentina if that gives any additional clues. Thanks!
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    Re: Girard-Perregaux ID

    The crosshair being too small for the recessed subdial, the quality of the font (the GP inscription appears to be tilted!) and the minute track would suggest an old redial.

    Best to stay away from listings from South America - along with India, it's one of the biggest sources of frankens, fakes and redials.
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    Re: Girard-Perregaux ID

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    The crosshair being too small for the recessed subdial, the quality of the font (the GP inscription appears to be tilted!) and the minute track would suggest an old redial.

    Best to stay away from listings from South America - along with India, it's one of the biggest sources of frankens, fakes and redials.
    Yep, bad redial


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    Re: Girard-Perregaux ID

    No question that the dial has been refinished, as mentioned above. Also, the hands seem to be a very different color than the markers, suggesting that they are replacements. For some reason, it is extremely difficult to find decent watches in South America. Like this one, they often have many replacement parts, the dials are often very badly damaged, e.g. from mold and moisture, or refinished (both, in this case).
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    Re: Girard-Perregaux ID

    Strange, I think dial is original?
    Cross hairs look OK to me.
    Movement and case are Girard Perregaux OK

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    Re: Girard-Perregaux ID

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Strange, I think dial is original?
    Cross hairs look OK to me.
    Movement and case are Girard Perregaux OK

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    Re: Girard-Perregaux ID

    I see what HOROLOGIST007 means...the dial does look almost original...I gazed at it for some time, and rather think it is a re-do...the font however, is quite a bit like GP's, and the entire thing certainly looks old enough...still, it's not quite what I expect.

    Some old, well-done re-dials, CAN be difficult to analyse!

    ...still: the font IS pretty nice!

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    Re: Girard-Perregaux ID

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Strange, I think dial is original?
    Cross hairs look OK to me.
    The crosshair doesn't look ok, and yes, it is strange that you think it's original. Especially with the tilted printing and the shoddy minute track - none of these things would have passed GP's QC.

    I took the liberty of highlighting some of the issues here:

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    Re: Girard-Perregaux ID

    Hi there,

    of course a crap redial. My first attention always goes to the alignement between print pattern and raised markers, and then I need not look for further details.

    But I'm even not sure, whether the movement is original: It has well the bridge layout of the AS 1130, which was prefered by GP. But this was not exclusive for them as proved by the pic at the bottom here: bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: AS 1130
    And the batch number has usually 3 digits, and not 6 like here. Moreover the signature "Adjusted" was only required to meet US import rules, and thus this movement should also have the import code "GXM" in the balance cock.

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