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    Question Got a doxa watch ! but what age might it be ?

    Guys, got myself a Doxa
    As you see it has written this on it - "Gotenhafen U-Boot".Name:  doxa-gotenhafen.jpg
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    Checked some history of "Gotenhafen". Seems the town came into existence when this polish town "Gdynia" was renamed to Gotenhafen in 1939.
    But in 1945 it was named back to "Gdynia" when Germany lost the war.

    So that means the watch couldn't have been manufactured somewhere outside that window.

    Here is what I'm looking for specifically -

    1.) What does the M & N stand for ?
    2.) 41338 - I guess is some serial number ?
    3.) Was it really manufactured for German Navy ? I guess U-Boot means submarines, but not sure.

    Thanks & would appreciate any info. you guys might have

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    Re: Got a doxa watch ! but what age might it be ?

    One more thing...
    I thought that eagle like logo was for Doxa, but seems that isn't.
    Any idea what that might be ?

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    Re: Got a doxa watch ! but what age might it be ?

    geeks

    Nice dial it looks in great condition.

    If you have a photo of the movement that might help with dating.

    The Eagle is the symbol for Germany which has been used in various forms for around 1200 years. This one was in use from 1935 to 1945 (.... rule).

    The M stands for Marine (Naval) and the N is for the Number above which would be the issue number.

    Try this link for general details on the kreigsmarine Germania International Kriegsmarine

    The dates may not be as restricted from 1939 since the watch movement could have been manufactured before 1939 but the movement photo would help.

    Also there is a forum for Doxa in watchseek so try for help there as well

    Good luck
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    Re: Got a doxa watch ! but what age might it be ?

    Hi Geeks,
    What you have here is a pocket watch which has been converted into a 'military style'
    wristwatch, complete with repainted dial. These are manufacture in Eastern Europe, are modern
    productions using old movements and repainted dials and are recased or the pkt watch cases have lugs added.
    The markings on the dial can tell us nothing of any importance except that Doxa is probably the manufacturer
    of the movement.
    Watches such as this are quite common, especially on ebay and bare no resemblance to genuine military watches,
    sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

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    Re: Got a doxa watch ! but what age might it be ?

    If the watch is a converted Doxa pocket watch, it may well have an FHF pocket watch movement that looks somewhat like this:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: FHF 14-19'''H5

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Got a doxa watch ! but what age might it be ?

    Thanks all..
    NeilA - Thanks ! that gives me some more info.
    Radger - I soooo hope this isn't fake..
    Hartmut - the movement photo seems pretty similar, except the wheel connected to the palette doesn't have DOXA written on it. Also, what is FHF ?

    Also, quick question, what does that pointer F/S indicate ? Is it some kind of servicing/oil indicator ?

    Here are some of the inner photos -

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    Re: Got a doxa watch ! but what age might it be ?

    Hi geeks



    FHF = Fabrique d'Horlogerie de Fontainemelon

    " Also, quick question, what does that pointer F/S indicate ? Is it some kind of servicing/oil indicator ?"
    No , the pointer is part of the regulator ; F= fast S = slow (I think so)
    The regulator essentially lengthens or shortens the hairspring as it moves between the hairspring stud and its maximum adjustment. A shorter hairspring moves faster a longer moves slower.
    You could look here


    http://www.ehow.com/how_12039490_adj...regulator.html

    http://www.timepieceshoppe.com/regulate_adjust.html


    but on the other hand, I must endorse the radger´s opinion: Pocket watch converted , dial repainted only for marketing purposes , most probably from Ukraine , not very interesting for collectors.

    Nice movement (¿ Doxa ?)

    But it´s OK if you like it

    regards

    Kingmatic
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    Re: Got a doxa watch ! but what age might it be ?

    Radger is correct - Ukranian pocket watch conversion with fake german navy military markings. Sorry.

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    Re: Got a doxa watch ! but what age might it be ?

    Thanks Kingmatic.
    When you say it's repainted, you mean the dial is fake or the fact that parts of it are repainted ?
    I actually seem to like the watch, but wanted to make sure that the inscriptions are relevant and not made up

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    Re: Got a doxa watch ! but what age might it be ?

    The dial (that is the metal) is authentic, which is what the sale listing would likely have said. Unfortunately the paint on it isn't and is certainly a work of complete fantasy.

    Yes, they look nice, which is the market they are aimed at - people who are used to paying hundreds of dollars for watches which look nice. The sale listings are normally very carefully worded so that those who skim though them make assumptions about what is being said, whereas a detailed, careful reading will reveal the reality. All in all it's just a snake oil sale, but as Kingmatic says if you like it, then that is all that matters.


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