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    Gruen Guid Cal.415

    Hi everyone!

    This Gruen Guild just came in today. It has a Cal.415 movement (18000 A/h, power reserve 48h) and is a 10K gold filled case. According to my quick Google search, Gruen used the "Gruen Guild" dial during the 1920s and 30s. The case is in very good condition (no wear through) and the movement is very clean and running very strong. I paid $26 for it.
    Thanks for looking and any other info about this watch would be truly appreciated! - Hiro







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    Re: Gruen Guid Cal.415

    Hi -

    Great acquisition, especially at that price!

    I don't know if you know it, but this is a great reference to this period and what Gruen was trying to do with their "guild" message.

    Basically, it was an attempt to set up Gruen operations at Time Hall as being in the spirit of the old German guilds, which the family knew pretty well.

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    Re: Gruen Guid Cal.415

    Hi John,

    Thanks for your quick reply and excellent information!

    It has been keeping accurate time so far and I'm very happy with it. Someday, I would like to get a Curvex.

    Thanks again,

    - Hiro
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    Re: Gruen Guid Cal.415

    Hi Hiro,

    I agree with JohnF that the mentioned site is presently the best Gruen
    history available in the web. But the representation of the Guild idea is
    a little bit fuzzy there.

    Many sources agree that the Guild brand was iccasionally used since 1917
    until the end of Gruen. It reflected the idea of the German gilde, a local
    associations of craftsmen. And in fact the style of your wach, typical for
    the fifties, proves that the brand Guild was still used then.

    But most fequently this brand was used beween 1929 and 1937, when
    Alpina, Gruen, and Aegler (Rolex) formed the Alpina Gruen Guild.

    In 1929, George T. Gruen joined the Gruen company. He had studied
    watchmaking in the Technicum Le Locle, and was later trained in the plants
    of Marc Favre, Weber, and Aegler (Rolex) - all having narrow relationships
    to Alpina. And as Alpina had organized the Gilde-idea already sucessfully in
    Europe, it is no wonder that a cooperation between Alpina, Gruen, and
    Aegler/Rolex was organized to extend it worldwide.

    And particular watches demonstrate, that it was much more than just
    dropping Aegler movements into Alpina or Gruen cases. The participating
    companies formed a pool of movements and even complete watches, which
    were sold under the brands Alpina, Gruen, Rolex, and associated brands like
    Festa, Guild, Gilde, Tresor etc.

    The most fameous child of this time is the Duo-Dial watch, sold as
    Techni-Quadron by Gruen, and as Prince by Rolex. Many models of this
    watch type even had the same case regardless whether sold as Alpina,
    Gruen, or Rolex.

    A collector should have a close look to watches of this time. It is possible
    to get a genuine Rolex cheaply as Alpina or Gruen, and also to pay tons for
    a genuine Alpina or Gruen, if it is (originally or not) signed as Rolex.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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    Re: Gruen Guid Cal.415

    Hi Roland,

    Thanks for the excellent info about Gruen's history and background. Quite interesting.

    I did a bit research last night and it seems the Cal.415 was used mainly during the 50s. You also pointed out the style of the watch. Now, that all makes sense.

    Thanks again and I greatly appreciate your help.

    - Hiro
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