Hamilton Barrel Help

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    Hamilton Barrel Help

    Can anyone verify for me if this is a Hamilton Barrel, it seems to have the correct movement and Fahy's case. According to Rene Rondeau's book there were only 777 of these made in white Gold filled with engraving. I would like to kow if this is one of them. It appears it does have a re-dial.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Thanks, Nick
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    Re: Hamilton Barrel Help

    Here's the movement
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    Re: Hamilton Barrel Help

    This is a very curious Hamilton (to me, anyway). I'm not sure this is a "Barrel" model, although if not I don't know what it is! At best, it's a Barrel with a refinished dial and non-original hour/minute/second hands.

    The "Barrel-Engraved" identification that you propose does not look correct in light of the catalog images in Rene Rondeau's "Hamilton Wristwatches - A Collector's Guide." The catalog images for the Engraved model show engraving on the actual bezel, and on all four sides. Your watch has engraving only on the left and right sides, and then just on the outer edges of the case, not the bezel. Perhaps the "Plain" model had this less ornate type of engraving.

    I reviewed all the catalog shots in the Rondeau book and no other model looks close to your watch.

    Assuming your watch is in fact a "Barrel," the dial has certainly been refinished, as the font used for the numerals is quite incorrect, and the Alpha-style hands are a substitute for the Squelette-style originals.

    My suggestion is to email your photos directly to Rene for his opinion. You can reach him at: [email protected] .

    Good luck!

    P.S. Here is a watch VERY similar to yours (no name given). The numerals are correct for a "Barrel" but the hands are not quite the right style (but close).




    P.P.S. A-ha! I just found a photo of a "Barrel-Engraved" with the correct numerals and hands. Note the engraving all around the bezel.

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    Re: Hamilton Barrel Help

    I just came across this photo of a "Barrel - Plain." It appears to have the outer edge engraving like yours. Note also the numerals and hands.

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    Re: Hamilton Barrel Help

    Thanks Tom, great idea on sending some pics to Rene, i'll do that today and report back what I find out.

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    Re: Hamilton Barrel Help

    For what it's worth the 17J grade 987 movement was made in 1928.

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    Re: Hamilton Barrel Help

    It should be noted that Rene Rondeau's book only shows one style of dial/hands. As Rene states in his book, Hamilton did offer other dial styles for the same watch model than those pictured in the book.

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    Re: Hamilton Barrel Help

    Thanks guys, I sent an email off to Rene, i'll let you know what he says

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    Re: Hamilton Barrel Help

    Heard back from Rene already, he's great . It is definitely a barrel, he said the cases were made by both Fahys and Wadsworth and they were slightly different, this is the Fahys. He also said this would be considered a plain case not engraved. The engraved cases were engraved on the bezel, all of them had the engraving on the sides.

    So in summary this is a WGF Barrel in a plain case.

    Thanks guys.

    Nick

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    Re: Hamilton Barrel Help

    A little late here, as always.

    I was able to find a similar style original dial to this one here:



    http://www.watchcat.com/NewListings/ham3969sq.htm

    The pictured watch is a "Square B" which was produced beginning in 1929. This Egyptian-style font was quite popular at the time due to the discovery of King Tut's tomb in the mid 1920's. I'm pretty sure it was produced for several different case shapes.

    Your example is definely a refinished dial, and a decent job was done on it.

    Nice looking Hamilton,
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    Last edited by gatorcpa; February 11th, 2008 at 21:46. Reason: clarity

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