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    Thumbs Up Help dating this old fusee pocket watch?

    Hi, how old is this pocket watch?
    I can't quite make out the whole name on the movement. It's probably made out of copper?

    Please tell me anything you know about it

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    Re: Help dating this old fusee pocket watch?

    Could say more about the watchmaker (and the approx. age of the movement) if I could identify his family name, but imposible for me from the images. It is JO ... ,(&) SON LIVERPOOL
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    Re: Help dating this old fusee pocket watch?

    Could it perhaps be this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph..._(watch_maker)

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    Re: Help dating this old fusee pocket watch?

    Quote Originally Posted by balaton View Post
    Could it perhaps be this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph..._(watch_maker)

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    Joseph Johnson of Liverpool, active in the first half of the 19th century, would fit (also with the period this watch was made, more versus the middle of the 19th.

    The bearing jewel for the balance staff could be a diamond (although not a valuable one, but nice). A jeweler could check that in a few seconds. Otherwise, regular glass was often used.

    The Albert watch chain could also be from the time.
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    Re: Help dating this old fusee pocket watch?

    The case markings indicate it is of .925 fineness gold and assayed in 1816.
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    Re: Help dating this old fusee pocket watch?

    Quote Originally Posted by G550driver View Post
    The case markings indicate it is of .925 fineness gold and assayed in 1816.
    Silver. .925 silver. Nobody would ever use 92.5% gold for a watch case.
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    Re: Help dating this old fusee pocket watch?

    23 karats gold case?
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    Re: Help dating this old fusee pocket watch?

    Haven't looked at the wiki link provided, which puts his working period somewhat earlier than what I had found. Anyway, within the first half of the 19th and a bit earlier than what I has assumed, more around 1820 then or a few years before.
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    Re: Help dating this old fusee pocket watch?

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    Silver. .925 silver. Nobody would ever use 92.5% gold for a watch case.
    You have a point, I was merely going on the colour of the case without giving it further thought.

    Date marks are a bit of a moveable feast. I cannot identify the Assay Office stamp and there were half a dozen or more of them at that time, each seemingly with its own date stamp protocols. Being made in Liverpool I rather assumed the Chester assay office would have been used in which case the 1816 date holds. Sheffield used a similar U for 1823 and London for 1815; Birmingham uses one, but with a tail, for 1818...
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    Never assume the local assay office was used as it often wasn’t the case. Choice of assay office often had more to do with turnaround time which is why for example in the early twentieth century many London based importers used the Glasgow office.


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