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    Help ID pocket-watch.

    Hey folks,

    As some of you may know, I recently purchased two gold-filled pocketwatches from the turn of the last century. One of them is a 17-jewel Waltham Riverside. The other is supposedly a 15-jewel IWC Schaffhausen.

    My question to you folks is...is it really what it is? I only really have the word of the fellow who sold the watch to me, who said that it was a 15j, 16s IWC from 1890.

    I can only give you the following information:

    The case is gold-filled. The caseback and the interior dustcover have the serial number 169,715 on them.

    The movement has the serial number 143,331 on it.

    The dustcover has an engraving on it that reads:

    "WARRANTED GOLD FILLED CASES TO LAST 20 YEARS / SWISS MADE".

    That's absolutely all I can tell you about the watch. There is also a MINISCULE mark on the watch movement, below the winding-click. It's so small that even with TWO magnifying glasses, I can't read the damn thing. That's all I have to go on.

    The watch runs and sets perfectly, although the bow is very loose. I shall take it to the watchmaker in due time, to have it serviced.

    Are there any IWC serial-number resources that I can read, or which you folks could look up, that would tell me if this watch is an actual IWC? I tried searching, but the one reference that I found looked less than reliable, although if it was taken as truth, then it seemed to indicate that my watch was made between about 1885-1895.

    EDIT -

    I pulled out my absolute most powerful glass that I have to have a look at that stupid mark on the movement. It's an oval with a crown inside it, with SOMETHING written underneath the crown, which I doubt even an ant with a microscope could make out. Here is the watch:

    IWC on the LEFT (Riverside on the right).




    In this last photograph, you can probably *just* see the oval mark on the left. It's above the winding-click and below the movement-screw next to the case-hinge.
    Last edited by Shangas; January 21st, 2011 at 07:16.
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    Re: Help ID pocket-watch.

    The movement serial number would indicate about 1896 for a production date. What diameter is the movement? A variation of IWC 63?
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    Re: Help ID pocket-watch.

    Hi Erik, the movement diameter is 41mm.
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    Re: Help ID pocket-watch.

    The IWC might have "Probus Scafusiae" in the logo (latin, equivalent to "Good things from Schaffhausen", the town on the Rhine where IWC are located).

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    Re: Help ID pocket-watch.

    If you can find me a copy of a logo that was used by IWC which is an oval with a crown in it and something under the crown, I'll see if it matches what's inside my watch, because I honestly can't read whatever else is there, even with my most powerful magnifying glasses (and they're pretty darn powerful).
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    Re: Help ID pocket-watch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shangas View Post
    ...because I honestly can't read whatever else is there, even with my most powerful magnifying glasses (and they're pretty darn powerful).
    Might I suggest a USB digital microscope (50-200 mag) is a handy thing for a watch collector to have around, and costs about $30 ebay from HK. Brilliant things.

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    Re: Help ID pocket-watch.

    Hi Shangas, that is a beautifull and genuine I.W.C watch.
    I'll bet your logo is a crown with S&Co in the oval...this was Stauffer and co,
    an English importer of I.W.C watches.

    Here is the Stauffer logo, pinched from another thread in this forum posted by
    R.J.B

    http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/v...r/IMG_3399.jpg

    Your pocket watch, will be fully marked for I.W.C but only under the dial.

    A very nice acquisition and a high quality watch.
    Well done.
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    Re: Help ID pocket-watch.

    Under the dial? Well that's damned inconsiderate!

    I had another look at the mark and I think you're right, Radger. It is S&Co. Thanks for the help :)
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    Re: Help ID pocket-watch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shangas View Post
    Under the dial? Well that's damned inconsiderate!

    I had another look at the mark and I think you're right, Radger. It is S&Co. Thanks for the help :)
    Nowadays, any watch by International Watch Company or other big name, the manufacturer and branding
    would be clearly visible...shouting the brand in some cases. Logos on the dial, crown, on the buckle even
    laser engraved on the crystal the maker being signed all over the place, on the dial the case and the movement.

    Your watch comes from a quieter time when commercialism was more discreet and even considered vulgar
    by straight laced English Victorian society, add to that the fact that I.W.C was little known at this time.
    Stauffer chose to brand these watches himself as he was a watchmaker in his own right, perhaps
    trying to cloud the fact that he was using an imported movement.

    Usually when Stauffer retailed an I.W.C watch he branded them as 'Peerless' and yours may have this
    stamped on the plate under the balance wheel.

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    Re: Help ID pocket-watch.

    Hi Radger,

    Thanks for the explanation. I guess I understand things more clearly now. Once I get the moolah, I'll send the watch off to my watchmaker in town and have him service it.
    "Pipes are occasionally of extraordinary interest...nothing has more individuality save, perhaps, watches and bootlaces."

    - Sherlock Holmes.

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