Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

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    Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

    Can anybody ID this old movement and watch case? I believe inscribed on the movement is 'swiss' '2 adj' '18 jls' and there is something else inscribed at the top of the movement, but it's half worn off, so I can't make it out. On the back of the case, when the back cover is removed, are four numbers ' 8 9 4 6 (or could be a 5)' Then on the inside of the back cover is inscribed 'Wadsworth Sterling' and the numbers '5286498'. I actually just figured out that they correspond with the case numbers, so they are indeed '8946'
    There is no maker ID on the dial. And it has no second hand, just the hour and minute. Oh, and of course, inscribed in gold tone on the movement is 'Jeanneret'. There are a couple pictures below, but the lighting is not good, sorry. Any help would be appreciated, as I can find nothing with online searches.
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    Re: Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

    There were quite a few Jeanneret watchmakers, apparently:

    Jeanneret, A. James - La Chaux-de-Fonds
    Jeanneret, Alb. Freres - St Imier
    Jeanneret-Brehm - St Imier
    Jeanneret & Cie - La Chaux-de-Fonds
    Jeanneret, Charles - La Chaux-de-Fonds
    + 9 others similar, all at one or other of those 2 towns. The book I use gives no other details or dates.

    Brands mentioned include Excelsior Park, and a Jeanneret was a co-founder of Moeris:

    http://www.antiquewatchworld.com/wat.../watch_co.html

    A few also mentioned here:

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B...0chaux&f=false

    And the brand is back in use:

    http://www.jeanneretwatches.com/Index.asp

    but with a blank history page.

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    Re: Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

    NICE WATCH!!!
    You should get it restored!

    nice find,
    RJ van Melle.

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    Re: Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

    Looks to me like "Cortebert" movement.
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    Re: Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

    Quote Originally Posted by jedanzoom View Post
    Looks to me like "Cortebert" movement.
    Nope - I'd say that looks like one of the FHF Cal. 30 series:

    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...0&2uswk&FHF_30

    There is a similar Adolf Schild Calibre (Cal. 350 plus variants) but that apparently - if my memory of earlier posts serves me right - has the screw for the keyless works (can't remember the English name offhand) on the other side of the winding stem. Interestingly enough, for those who don't know it, the AS Cal. 350 was the base movement for the very first automatic wristwatch movement, the Harwood calibre.

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    Re: Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrick View Post
    There were quite a few Jeanneret watchmakers, apparently:

    Jeanneret, A. James - La Chaux-de-Fonds
    Jeanneret, Alb. Freres - St Imier
    Jeanneret-Brehm - St Imier
    Jeanneret & Cie - La Chaux-de-Fonds
    Jeanneret, Charles - La Chaux-de-Fonds
    + 9 others similar, all at one or other of those 2 towns. The book I use gives no other details or dates.

    Brands mentioned include Excelsior Park, and a Jeanneret was a co-founder of Moeris:

    http://www.antiquewatchworld.com/wat.../watch_co.html

    A few also mentioned here:

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B...0chaux&f=false

    And the brand is back in use:

    http://www.jeanneretwatches.com/Index.asp

    but with a blank history page.

    Keep digging.
    Thank you very much for your reply and the time it took to research. I actually read up online pretty much what you have here before I posted, but I really couldn't find the exact movement or the watch case that it is in. Can this watch and movement be considered 'rare'? I believe the case is either solid sterling silver, or plated, but there are no id marks saying so on the case, just on the inside of the case back cover. Also, there is no crystal on the watch, but I think it is supposed to have one? Can anybody appoximate a date of manufacture by the movement style or case style? Would this be a piece worth having restored? As a collector, I know that 'worth' is relative, as I wouldn't hesitate to spend more to fix a nice piece than it could actually be resold for. And I know that valuations online are worthless, and not given here, but as a collector, is this piece 'nice' enough to bother? Thank you all again for your replies

    -Chris

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    Re: Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

    Quote Originally Posted by carpevicis View Post
    Would this be a piece worth having restored? As a collector, I know that 'worth' is relative, as I wouldn't hesitate to spend more to fix a nice piece than it could actually be resold for.

    -Chris
    Well, I doubt whether the resale value would be as much as you'd pay your watchmaker. But if you like it, then most of us have spent more money on a watch than is economically sensible. Perhaps leave it a while - see if it keeps nagging you to be fixed.
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    Re: Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

    Well, I decided to remove the movement and the dial to see if there were any other marks or numbers to help with an ID. I discovered the case is a three piece design. The wire lugs are very soft (pure silver?) And on the inside of the top bezel I discovered wierd scribe lines. Hopefully you will be able to see them in the picture below. Any idea of why they are there?
    The numbers I discovered on the dial side of the movement are as follows: beneath a little 'swiss cross' there are 51482 and then directly across the movement's dial side are 42929. I hope maybe somebody has the means to look up old movement serial numbers and give more clues? I'm actually enjoying 'hunting' the history of this piece. I assume because of it's smaller size, it is a woman's watch? I just measured it with my digital micrometers, and after researching the ligne conversion, I believe it is 9.75'''
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    Re: Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

    I think the "weird scribe lines" work like this. They're in sets (four of 'em). If you work them right to left as roman numerals you get 8946. Which is the last four digits of the case serial number. I remember reading somewhere that workers did this to be able to match the bezel with the rest of the case.

    The "51482" is a swiss patent number: http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationD...C&locale=en_EP

    Its a patent for the keyless works, describing the manner in which pulling the crown out causes the winding gear to alternatively drive the motion works and the winding gears.
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    Re: Help with ID of this swiss Jeanneret movement

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    I think the "weird scribe lines" work like this. They're in sets (four of 'em). If you work them right to left as roman numerals you get 8946. Which is the last four digits of the case serial number. I remember reading somewhere that workers did this to be able to match the bezel with the rest of the case.

    The "51482" is a swiss patent number: http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationD...C&locale=en_EP

    Its a patent for the keyless works, describing the manner in which pulling the crown out causes the winding gear to alternatively drive the motion works and the winding gears.
    Wow! Now we are getting somewhere! Thank you so much. The scribe lines are very interesting in the least, and now that I look at them again, the 'straight' lines do indeed have a 'V' before the other lines.
    Now, unfortunately, I can't read French, but at the top of the patent is dated '1910'. Can I assume this piece dates around then? Were wire lugs in use on watch cases much later than that? I'd really like to be able to date this watch, would really add to it's romanticism for me
    I've also been able to make a little bit out of the stamped letters that are half gone on the movement. It almost looks like it says _IMS W. Co. The undercored part of course being a letter I can't quite make out. Does this sound familiar to anybody? I'm quite certain on the 'M' and only the lower portion of the 'S' is visible, so it could possibly be something else. And of course the 'I' could be a 'T' since the top portion of the lettering is missing. Thank you again everybody for your contributions in my historical quest!

    -Chris

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