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    Help With Identification

    I can't make out what it says. "Jules Robert" Some times it looks like "Jules Hoeeet"?

    1275 is the serial number I guess.

    I sometimes see a movement that looks like this one online and it always say says Chinese.

    but it also says Chaux-de-Fonds , so its made by the swiss for the chinese market place?

    Ill probably just sell on ebay, saw one that looked very much like it but had hands and crystal went for $400.

    Any info would be great thankgs!
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    Hello there ! Would you be able to see if this watch has a duplex escapement ?

    It looks a lot like chinese market watches indeed, made in the early 1800s, with its extensively decorated Lepine style caliber with hanging barrel (which seems to miss its stopwork). I'm pretty sure this watch had center seconds too.

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    Re: Help With Identification

    Looks rather like a Bovet pocket watch. Bovet were renowned for making a lot for the chinese market. E.g.:

    http://bovet-opusmagnum1.netdna-ssl....circa-1850.jpg

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    Re: Help With Identification

    sorry, i don't know enough to tell if is duplex escapement. It's all very fascinating, and it's very nice to look at.

    I thought for sure someone would know the last name of Jules on the text printed and that would lead me to the info i seek.

    Thank You for your time.
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    Name on movement and dial: Jules Robert, location: Chaud-de-Fonds (Switzerland). Several watchmakers from that area in Switzerland pop up (most likely from the same family). Unfortunately, I can't say much about the age of the watch (at least not precise enough) to say which one it is.
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    Re: Help With Identification

    It's got all the visible features of a watch designed for the Chinese market. Note also that it is designed for a directly-driven sweep second hand, which is always found with the Chinese Duplex escapement.
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    Re: Help With Identification

    Quote Originally Posted by Border-Reiver View Post
    Name on movement and dial: Jules Robert, location: Chaud-de-Fonds (Switzerland). Several watchmakers from that area in Switzerland pop up (most likely from the same family). Unfortunately, I can't say much about the age of the watch (at least not precise enough) to say which one it is.
    With all due respect, it’s (la) Chaux-de-Fonds. The town was into watchmaking since the 18th Century. From what I gather, the dozens of manufacturers originating from that town are no more kin than all the brands born in Le Locle, or Geneva. Why would you want everyone living in mountain areas to be consanguineous? Simply, one tends to manufacture where there are ready suppliers of parts, and skilled workers.

    Just a shortlist of the most renowned brands founded in La Chaux-de-Fonds :

    Ebel
    Enicar
    Festina
    Gallet
    Girard-Perregaux
    Jaquet Droz
    Movado
    Vulcain
    Zeno
    ...

    If inbred, these would be quite prolific genes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PanKorop View Post
    With all due respect, it’s (la) Chaux-de-Fonds. The town was into watchmaking since the 18th Century. From what I gather, the dozens of manufacturers originating from that town are no more kin than all the brands born in Le Locle, or Geneva. Why would you want everyone living in mountain areas to be consanguineous? Simply, one tends to manufacture where there are ready suppliers of parts, and skilled workers.

    Just a shortlist of the most renowned brands founded in La Chaux-de-Fonds :

    Ebel
    Enicar
    Festina
    Gallet
    Girard-Perregaux
    Jaquet Droz
    Movado
    Vulcain
    Zeno
    ...

    If inbred, these would be quite prolific genes!
    Thanks for your correction! I used to work in Switzerland and this was a typo. Of course, it's (La) Chaux-de-Fonds. This city and the neighboring town Le Locle are UNESCO world heritage sites, not mainly for the watch industry, but for their unique architecture and structures around the watch industry. Last year, I was in Le Locle and slept in the old seat of Dubois (Maison Dubois, now a bed-and-breakfast hotel) the oldest Swiss watch factory in Switzerland.

    At a time, 50% of the world watch production came from these two locations. With a large watch industry also in the bordering region of France, with families and individuals working on both sides, it's difficult to pin down individual names of watchmakers.

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