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    Help identify two watches. Please

    Hi
    I just bought these two watches.
    Does anybody know what they are.
    Age, Quality, worth repairing/maintaining
    Anything special about them.?
    I can't seem to find any info on them.

    The first one is:
    Montdor, automatic
    Steel
    The movement is a ETA 2452
    It moves but gaines time. I can't turn forward without crown coming of.
    So needs to be serviced, and new crown. (I guess)
    What is it worth?

    The second one is:
    Datomatic, automatic
    Gold plated (a bit worn of)
    The movement I think is AS 1701
    Works fine
    (is Datomatic the brand?)
    Dont know when it has been serviced last. Should I get it serviced.?
    What is it worth?

    Any help and info would be great. Thanks
    Kind regards
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    Re: Help identify two watches. Please

    Welcome to the forums.

    As you have already guessed, neither watch is made by a famous maker, and in fact the "DATOMATIC" seems to be completely generic, which is interesting. I've seen the word "DATOMATIC" used by several brands to refer to a model or a production line, but it's the first time I've seen it used in that way. Both watches are of good quality and in very nice condition, but not particularly valuable. So the decision about getting them repaired will largely depend on your own taste and whether you'd like to wear them.

    This is highly subjective, but the Montdor seems a bit more interesting and desirable to me, because of the attractive sunburst blue dial, all SS case, and matching bracelet (which I assume is original). Of course, it has a very distinctive 1970s style, which may or may not appeal to various people. The DATOMATIC seems more common to me, although it's a nice dressy watch and the NIVAFLEX ANTIMAGNETIC feature suggests that it's not just an entry-level watch.
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    Re: Help identify two watches. Please

    I have an Accurex deluxe from the same manufacturer which is also powered by an eta 2452. I understand from Mr. Ranfft that this movement was renowned at the time for its thinness .it was used also by Rolex to power their Tudor Submariner as well as other models and can be found in a number of higher end brands of that era.
    For the movement alone I would get it fixed but that's just me.
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    Re: Help identify two watches. Please

    Hi badbackdan and molliedooker

    Thank you for the welcome. What a great forum this is.

    Thank you so much for your replies and the info. It helped a lot.
    Yes, I thought that they probably wouldn't be that valuable. I have a lot of watches, but it's my first time buying vintage watches, so I have learned a lot, the last couple of days.
    I really like the look of both of them, and that was why I bought them. I want to wear them, but honestly I didn't think it would be that "expensive" to get them serviced. :-P
    I will wear the Datomatic, as it works fine, and then, maybe I will get it serviced, at some point. But if I do that, then it will have cost me around 550 USD in total.
    The Montdor on the other hand, that one needs to be fixed, so if I do that, then it will have cost me around 485 USD in total.

    I know money isn't everything, and I know that these watches are not sought-after.
    I have no idea what watches like this is going for. All I find, when I seach for it, is the more well known brands.
    So just to get some sort of understanding on what watches like these are worth. Do you guys have an idea about that?
    Is around 500 USD ok, or way of? (when they are newly serviced of course)

    Thanks again.
    Kind regards
    Søren

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    Re: Help identify two watches. Please

    Quote Originally Posted by S_ahrendt View Post
    Is around 500 USD ok, or way of? (when they are newly serviced of course)
    Absolutely way way off on the deep end (without giving any valuations as these technically aren't legal here). I'm guessing you are from denmark like myself - Expect to pay 1000-1500 as a minimum for a service.

    If you service these, you should only do so if you really really like them, and do so with the knowledge that you wont ever make anywhere near the cost of service back selling them. In general watches without a 'real' brand name aren't worth much, even though they can be just fine in their own right.

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    Re: Help identify two watches. Please

    250 USD for a serviced watch is quite OK, something like $50 watch and $200 for service
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    Re: Help identify two watches. Please

    Hi Kasper

    Yes I'm from Denmark to.
    Right. - So, first of, I need to find another place to get them serviced, as the prices I got is way higher than that.
    Then I will reevaluate, and bare in mind, that it will probably never make sense to get then serviced, from a financial point of view.

    Thanks

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    Re: Help identify two watches. Please

    Great, thanks for info - that's a good rule of thumb
    So when I find a place that can do service for around $200, then it's going to be all right.

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    I generally pay about $150 for a full service for a simple three-hand watch like these. Chronographs are obviously more expensive to service.

    You need to be careful when buying a "serviced" watch. Unless there is very convincing documentation that the watch has been serviced, it is difficult to verify, so many sellers who claim that a watch is serviced are not being honest.

    It is often better to buy a watch that is in running condition for a good price, and then have your own watchmaker service the watch.
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    Re: Help identify two watches. Please

    Thanks to all of you.
    Now I know a little bit more about what a good price is. For both watch and service.
    Can't wait to go looking for more watches :-D

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